mamejunkie
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for sure - but I'd like it if they told you the average speed. Saying "we kept it within 5mph of speed limit" doesn't really tell you anything if you don't know the roads they drove on.Over 300 miles with AWD is impressive.
Vehicle | EPA estimated | Edmunds tested | EPA estimated | Edmunds tested | Ambient temperature |
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2021 Audi e-tron sportback | 218 miles | 238 miles* (+9.2%) | 44 kWh/ 100 mi | 38.2 kWh/ 100 mi (+13.2%) | 71° |
2020 Chevrolet Bolt | 259 miles | 277 miles (+6.9%) | 29 kWh/ 100 mi | 25.7 kWh/ 100 mi (+11.4%) | 60° |
2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E AWD Ext Range | 270 miles | 304 miles (+12.6%) | 37 kWh/ 100 mi | 33.1 kWh/ 100 mi (+10.5%) | 62° |
2020 Hyundai Ioniq Electric | 170 miles | 202 miles (+18.9%) | 25 kWh/ 100 mi | 20.8 kWh/ 100 mi (+16.8%) | 70° |
2019 Hyundai Kona Electric | 258 miles | 315 miles (+21.9%) | 28 kWh/ 100 mi | 22.3 kWh/ 100 mi (+20.4%) | 61° |
2020 Kia Niro EV | 239 miles | 285 miles (+19.2%) | 30 kWh/ 100 mi | 25.3 kWh/ 100 mi (+15.7%) | 67° |
2020 MINI Cooper SE | 110 miles | 150 miles (+36.5%) | 31 kWh/ 100 mi | 21.8 kWh/ 100 mi (+29.7%) | 62° |
2020 Nissan Leaf Plus SL | 215 miles | 237 miles (+10.2%) | 32 kWh/ 100 mi | 27.1 kWh/ 100 mi (+15.3%) | 67° |
2021 Polestar 2 Performance | 233 miles | 228 miles* (-2.1%) | 37 kWh/ 100 mi | 35.2 kWh/ 100 mi (+4.9%) | 67° |
2020 Porsche Taycan 4S | 203 miles | 323 miles* (+59.3%) | 49 kWh/ 100 mi | 32.3 kWh/ 100 mi (+34.1%) | 73° |
2020 Tesla Model S Performance | 326 miles | 318 miles* (-2.5%) | 35 kWh/ 100 mi | 32.6 kWh/ 100 mi (+6.9%) | 60° |
2018 Tesla Model 3 Performace | 310 miles | 256 miles* (-17.4%) | 29 kWh/ 100 mi | 30.1 kWh/ 100 mi (-3.8%) | 61° |
2020 Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus | 250 miles | 232 miles* (-7.2%) | 24 kWh/ 100 mi | 23.0 kWh/ 100 mi (+4.2%) | 67° |
2020 Tesla Model X Long Range | 328 miles | 294 miles* (-10.4%) | 35 kWh/ 100 mi | 35.0 kWh/ 100 mi 0.0% | 60° |
2020 Tesla Model Y Performance | 291 miles | 263 miles* (-9.6%) | 30 kWh/ 100 mi | 29.6 kWh/ 100 mi (+1.3%) | 65° |
Why would the Tesla perform better at highway speed compared to their EPA ranges.Some of this can be explained because they do more city driving for their test compared to the epa. Tesla probably performs better at highway speeds because of lower drag. At slower speeds the mache has the advantage.
I think he is saying that the Teslas would likely have fared better if Edmunds had done more highway driving where drag becomes more important. The EPA gives manufacturers some leeway with how they report their ranges, which makes comparing EPA ranges almost, but not entirely, useless. Most manufacturers choose to use more conservative numbers, but Tesla chooses to use more aggressive numbers. That allows Tesla to brag about having the longest ranges, but that does not always prove out in real world testing. There are certainly some cases where a MY will have more range than a Mach E, but not in Edmund's test. If you check the WLTP ranges, which is also biased toward lower speed driving, a Mach E gets better range than a MY. As always, "Your Mileage May Vary".Why would the Tesla perform better at highway speed compared to their EPA ranges.
Isn't the CD already baked into the EPA range, same as all other cars?
Do what you're saysing is that lower drag = UGLY? haSome of this can be explained because they do more city driving for their test compared to the epa. Tesla probably performs better at highway speeds because of lower drag. At slower speeds the mache has the advantage.
I think that the Tesla won't fare better, the other cars won't do as well - so relatively speaking the Tesla will improve. It may or may not be true.Why would the Tesla perform better at highway speed compared to their EPA ranges.
Isn't the CD already baked into the EPA range, same as all other cars?
It seems super unscientific to me tbh. No test procedure or anything. Large temp difs. No SOC start.for sure - but I'd like it if they told you the average speed. Saying "we kept it within 5mph of speed limit" doesn't really tell you anything if you don't know the roads they drove on.
Really looking forward to head-to-head tests between the MME and MY to see what the real range/efficiency difference is between the two.
Yes. Only n=1 per "category".It seems super unscientific to me tbh. No test procedure or anything. Large temp difs. No SOC start.
My model 3 performance only get me 201 miles from a full SoC base on my driving style going 75-78mph on the freeway .. no where close to 310 miles ............
Teslas are still quite efficient. The fact that they get the range that they do with a smaller battery than a Mach E is impressive.
It shows Tesla's drivetrain efficiency is marginal, but the aero numbers save them. Even the lighter weight of a smaller battery doesn't get them enough incremental range. Of course, they likely sacrifice real world range with the smaller battery to get better 0-60 times.I think he is saying that the Teslas would likely have fared better if Edmunds had done more highway driving where drag becomes more important. The EPA gives manufacturers some leeway with how they report their ranges, which makes comparing EPA ranges almost, but not entirely, useless. Most manufacturers choose to use more conservative numbers, but Tesla chooses to use more aggressive numbers. That allows Tesla to brag about having the longest ranges, but that does not always prove out in real world testing. There are certainly some cases where a MY will have more range than a Mach E, but not in Edmund's test. If you check the WLTP ranges, which is also biased toward lower speed driving, a Mach E gets better range than a MY. As always, "Your Mileage May Vary".
Teslas are still quite efficient. The fact that they get the range that they do with a smaller battery than a Mach E is impressive.
Very sorry but this has not been our experience, both our previous model X and my model 3 .. they perform better with local driving, the regen system in our Tesla is truly better than others I have experienced with thus far, However both our previous model x and my model 3 had crappy efficiency going up to 80mph so I have to say it’s the opposite .. and looking at my EPA sheets not like that matter much looks like the EPA local driving cycle is better than highway compares to others.Some of this can be explained because they do more city driving for their test compared to the epa. Tesla probably performs better at highway speeds because of lower drag. At slower speeds the mache has the advantage.