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I wouldn't argue with any of the scores. To the extent I'm familiar with the vehicles they seem about right. The caveat would be that some things depend on context. For example, the MME is not as good a vehicle where I live than the Chevy Bolt. The Bolt is smaller and more maneuverable, working better with small parking spaces and congested streets. That doesn't mean the Bolt is a better vehicle. It's not. But for some things it is better. IOW when you need a screwdriver the best hammer in the world isn't better.

That said, the big miss IMO is the table mostly ignores price. It does use "value". However, value assumes a certain level of quality and/or features. A vehicle which offers more "value" could be a much higher priced vehicle than one which offers less "value". But the world doesn't work this way. If you can only afford a $30K vehicle it hardly matters that a $45K vehicle offers more value.

The second issue is that price plays a far more significant role than what a table like this suggests. In the table price is just one factor among many. In the real world price is probably equal in importance to all other factors. The better way would be to sum all the points other than value and then divide the points by the price of the vehicle. That would give a "bang for the buck" number which is what many people are looking for.

Perhaps the solution to this is to just leave the lower cost vehicles out of the comparison. The price differences of many of these vehicles isn't all that different, making a direct comparisons more realistic.
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I wouldn't argue with any of the scores. To the extent I'm familiar with the vehicles they seem about right. The caveat would be that some things depend on context. For example, the MME is not as good a vehicle where I live than the Chevy Bolt. The Bolt is smaller and more maneuverable, working better with small parking spaces and congested streets. That doesn't mean the Bolt is a better vehicle. It's not. But for some things it is better. IOW when you need a screwdriver the best hammer in the world isn't better.

That said, the big miss IMO is the table mostly ignores price. It does use "value". However, value assumes a certain level of quality and/or features. A vehicle which offers more "value" could be a much higher priced vehicle than one which offers less "value". But the world doesn't work this way. If you can only afford a $30K vehicle it hardly matters that a $45K vehicle offers more value.

The second issue is that price plays a far more significant role than what a table like this suggests. In the table price is just one factor among many. In the real world price is probably equal in importance to all other factors. The better way would be to sum all the points other than value and then divide the points by the price of the vehicle. That would give a "bang for the buck" number which is what many people are looking for.

Perhaps the solution to this is to just leave the lower cost vehicles out of the comparison. The price differences of many of these vehicles isn't all that different, making a direct comparisons more realistic.
I understand all your points and most everyone does here also. We have talked about the cost of a vehicle many times here. But for value cost does play a part. You can get the cheapest car on the market now to go from point a to b. Does that mean it's the best? no. So we have to break it down the best that we can.
Also, another aspect that has to be taken into effect is repairs. Some of these models when the time comes to repair something or simply the first brake replacement will cost triple or more.

All the prices have been listed. also, specs as close as you can on each model.
Each vehicle has points that are judged and no vehicle is the best in each. So this really helps out deciding which one is better in one part and bad in another. Maybe you need the one with the most range. Maybe you want the fastest one. Maybe you want the best riding.

At the end of the day, this chart breaks each down the best "I" see fit. More will be added as we go along.
 
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Then there is the "cool" factor. That factor will be ranked differently for almost each individual.
Obviously, and as everyone has noted, cool factor and styling are two of the more subjective points on the list, but it is one of the more interesting things that I have experienced since purchasing the car, at least, I think it would fit into the ā€œcoolā€ factor dynamic.

Iā€™m only going on my third day of ownership starting this morning, and literally, in the first 24 hours of ownership I had: one person pull along side me on the highway to take a picture, two cars honk and wave, a Tesla driver to pull up along side me and motion for me to roll down my window so that we could talk, and three different people to either comment directly to me or to someone they were walking with about what a ā€œcoolā€ car it was. The crazy thing was that I really didnā€™t spend that much time out and about this weekend either. I really do not consider myself a vain person (although Iā€™m not sure what vain person does ?), and I probably scale a little more toward being an introvert, but that has truly been a fun factor to me that I never expected when weighing my options and making the final purchase.
 
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I would like to find braking stopping test for all vehicles to add. If anyone knows or has seen the data for each vehicle can put it here. thanks.
 

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Nice spreadsheet, the only thing I would disagree with is the cool factor, which I think should be a 10 for the Mach-E at the present time.

Having random people stop and take pictures, getting stares and people coming up to the car all the time, getting questions shouted at me when the windows are down while Iā€™m driving - maybe it wonā€™t last forever but does even the average exotic get this kind of attention? I dunno not having owned one, but I donā€™t feel like people make as much of a fuss when your run-of-the-mill Ferrari drives by, at least for what counts as an ā€˜averageā€™ vehicle by Ferrari standards.
 


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I only have a couple disagreements. First, I think youā€™ve way over-rated the Model Y in terms of ā€œstylingā€ and ā€œcool factor.ā€ I know this is somewhat subjective, but only up to a point. The Model Y just glommed a raised roofline onto the same wheel base and stubby hood of a Model 3. It is ugly, and most of the color selections are even more drab than the MME.

Second, for the Road Trip category, you donā€™t appear to have evaluated ā€œease of public charging.ā€ Thatā€™s perhaps the BIGGEST factor when it comes to road trips. Here the Teslas are king and the MME tanks big-time. Iā€™d give the Teslas at least a 6 in this added category and the MME a 2 or 3 tops. As Iā€™ve noted in other threads, the third-party charging is currently a total crapshoot, both in terms of being able to initiate through FordPass of Plug & Charge and in terms of any given station working, period. It is a major problem.
 

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I would like to find braking stopping test for all vehicles to add. If anyone knows or has seen the data for each vehicle can put it here. thanks.
I wasnā€™t able to find data, from the same source, for all vehicles on your list. I couldnā€™t find any information on the XC40 Recharge.

Hereā€™s what I was able to find for 60-0 mph, along with the source:

Mustang Mach-E = 109 ft. (Motor Trend)
Tesla Model Y = 118 ft. (Motor Trend)
Tesla Model 3= 133 ft (Consumer Reports)
Jaguar I-Pace=136 ft. (Consumer Reports)
Audi e-tron = 131 ft. (Consumer Reports)
Volkswagen ID4 =119 ft. (Motor Trend)
Polestar 2 = 115 ft. (InsideEVs)
Volvo XC40 Recharge = ?
Chevrolet Bolt = 138 ft.(Consumer Reports)
Kia Nero = 135 ft.(Consumer Reports)
Hyundai Kona =135 ft.(Consumer Reports)
 
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I only have a couple disagreements. First, I think youā€™ve way over-rated the Model Y in terms of ā€œstylingā€ and ā€œcool factor.ā€ I know this is somewhat subjective, but only up to a point. The Model Y just glommed a raised roofline onto the same wheel base and stubby hood of a Model 3. It is ugly, and most of the color selections are even more drab than the MME.

Second, for the Road Trip category, you donā€™t appear to have evaluated ā€œease of public charging.ā€ Thatā€™s perhaps the BIGGEST factor when it comes to road trips. Here the Teslas are king and the MME tanks big-time. Iā€™d give the Teslas at least a 6 in this added category and the MME a 2 or 3 tops. As Iā€™ve noted in other threads, the third-party charging is currently a total crapshoot, both in terms of being able to initiate through FordPass of Plug & Charge and in terms of any given station working, period. It is a major problem.
As far as charging there as many charge stations now for other BEVs as there are now for tesla.
Pretty much can go the same routes as kyle out of spec has said. Now how they work is another story but even tesla now is having problems with overcrowded use and some down. That goes more on the info structure itself than the cars. that column is for charge speed, I guess I could make a spot for chargers in general but then it but everyone else score vs two teslas so kinda silly. two points lower is fair. As kyle out of spec and others now are not having problems like before. ford just needs to get the handshake fixed.

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Ford just needs to get the handshake fixed.
Yeah, but thatā€™s the point. It doesnā€™t work reliably. I have very personal experience with the utter crapshoot that is public charging for the MME. Say what you will about Tesla (and I have much to say in the negative), the Superchargers are generally fast and reliable. This is the MOST important factor when it comes to road tripping so it should probably be included in any overall evaluation.
 
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Yeah, but thatā€™s the point. It doesnā€™t work reliably. I have very personal experience with the utter crapshoot that is public charging for the MME. Say what you will about Tesla (and I have much to say in the negative), the Superchargers are generally fast and reliable. This is the MOST important factor when it comes to road tripping so it should probably be included in any overall evaluation.
again I see what you're saying, but some people have no problem while some do. But it's getting to be fewer and fewer. I will give EA a little time to work on it as it affects all the other BEVs. I would just add 1 point to tesla model 3 and tesla model y and the rest stay the same if I do change it.
 

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Nice spreadsheet. I think you should include a column as to whether the make/model is still available for the $7500 Federal tax credit. (altho' I realize this may change)
 

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again I see what you're saying, but some people have no problem while some do. But it's getting to be fewer and fewer. I will give EA a little time to work on it as it affects all the other BEVs. I would just add 1 point to tesla model 3 and tesla model y and the rest stay the same if I do change it.
So you think that overall itā€™s just as easy to public charge a MME as a Tesla? Because thatā€™s effectively what youā€™re saying: the charging experience isnā€™t worth evaluating because itā€™s a wash. But I think we all know that isnā€™t true.
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