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I have a standard range all wheel drive, which is supposed to get 211 miles on a full charge. The best I have gotten is about 180. I know it’s cold here in Connecticut, but it was 50 out the other day. Anybody with similar issues?
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I have a standard range all wheel drive, which is supposed to get 211 miles on a full charge. The best I have gotten is about 180. I know it’s cold here in Connecticut, but it was 50 out the other day. Anybody with similar issues?
The most you've driven is 180 miles or is that the most the GOM has shown?
 

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I have a standard range all wheel drive, which is supposed to get 211 miles on a full charge. The best I have gotten is about 180. I know it’s cold here in Connecticut, but it was 50 out the other day. Anybody with similar issues?
From your trip summary, multiply the miles/kWh number by 68. That would be your range if you started at 100% charge, and drove the same way down to 0%. So if the number was 3.2, your range would be 3.2 x 68 = 218 miles, given how you drove the car for that trip.

When it's cold, you might get 2.7m/kWh, or 2.7 x 68 = 184 miles of range. Maybe on a warm day, 70 degrees, you would get 3.7m/kWh, or 3.7 x 68 = 252 miles. Lots of factors affect the miles/kWh number, and the range estimator tries its best to guess based on the temperature, how you will drive, etc., but at this point always guesses on the low side.
 

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It's interesting that people don't ask this question when they get in a Tesla because their range indicator just shows you what you want to see even though it has no basis in reality. I guess a lot of people like that better.
 

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The nickname for the projected range EV's display is "guess-o-meter". I have a California Route 1 edition which is rear wheel drive with an extended battery and aero covers on the wheels - it has 305 mile range which is the longest range of any Mach E. It's been below 50 since I bought it 2 weeks ago, and the projected range on the dash at 90% charge has been showing 200 miles or less - WHICH IS WAY UNDER WHAT IT REALLY IS. Using the tripometers I've been getting between 3.1 and 3.3 mi/kwh, which for my 88kwh battery means if I went 90%-0% my actual range would be 245 (88 x .9 x 3.1) to 261 (88 x .9 x 3.3) miles.

As @RonTCat pointed out if you multiply 68 (standard battery size) by the mi/kwh number you are getting on actual drives then you'll have a more accurate number for range.

It's interesting that people don't ask this question when they get in a Tesla because their range indicator just shows you what you want to see even though it has no basis in reality. I guess a lot of people like that better.
The problem is, newbies don't know that and find out as they are driving that the projected range was nonsense for the conditions.
 


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From your trip summary, multiply the miles/kWh number by 68. That would be your range if you started at 100% charge, and drove the same way down to 0%. So if the number was 3.2, your range would be 3.2 x 68 = 218 miles, given how you drove the car for that trip.

When it's cold, you might get 2.7m/kWh, or 2.7 x 68 = 184 miles of range. Maybe on a warm day, 70 degrees, you would get 3.7m/kWh, or 3.7 x 68 = 252 miles. Lots of factors affect the miles/kWh number, and the range estimator tries its best to guess based on the temperature, how you will drive, etc., but at this point always guesses on the low side.
I am guessing part of it has to do with the impact of climate control? The guess-o-meter doesn't know how hot/cold a driver will set climate control, so I suppose it is picking a worst case scenario and displaying the range for that?
 

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The problem is, newbies don't know that and find out as they are driving that the projected range was nonsense for the conditions.
Right, but at least they'll get to feel good about seeing a big number.
 

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I am guessing part of it has to do with the impact of climate control? The guess-o-meter doesn't know how hot/cold a driver will set climate control, so I suppose it is picking a worst case scenario and displaying the range for that?
Yes, plus how many 0-60mph trials you are going to attempt...
 

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I have a standard range all wheel drive, which is supposed to get 211 miles on a full charge. The best I have gotten is about 180. I know it’s cold here in Connecticut, but it was 50 out the other day. Anybody with similar issues?
Last Friday night I charged to 100%. 211 miles indicated on the dash Saturday morning as we pulled out. We drove 110 miles and has 72% and 157 miles until empty when I plugged it in Sunday night. ?

Love this car. Makes me feel like a mileage hero..?
 

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Tl;dr: drive with climate control OFF (not auto) if weather allows for it.

I've only owned my MME for a few days, and it's my first ever EV, so I was similarly disappointed in the "projected range " number at first. But as I've driven it more and gotten to know how an EV works a bit more, this is what I've found:

- the projected range number you see on your dashboard is a function of your most recent trips. When I drove my MME home on the highway the first day, in cooler weather, with climate control on - the projected range was low the next day I drove her (it implied the max range would be around 200 miles for an AWD E)

- a couple of days later, it warmed up a bit enough where I finally turned off the climate control. Already I could see improvement in my current trip's mi/kwh, as well as in my instrument panel's projected range (as well as the implied max range)

- but last night, winter returned to the NYC area. I drove home with climate control on, heated seats on, heated steering on. My trip's mi/kwh plummeted and my projected range did too. The cold weather does two things to your car: 1) the battery loses heat to the exterior on its own, 2) if you have climate control set to 65, it will need to warm up the car from 35 to 65, which is a big drain to the battery.

On trips where I've had two legs in quick succession (for example driving to return some clothes yesterday), the outbound trip gave me very low mi/kwh because I had to heat up my car from cold to 65 degrees. But on the return leg I had much higher mi/kwh because I had to heat up the car while it was still already warm from leg #1 (since I only spent a couple of minutes inside the store).

Anyway don't get too hung up on the projected range. It will continue to evolve as you drive it. But unless it's freezing (or really hot), I would recommend driving with climate control OFF as much as possible, especially if exterior temps are in the 50-80 range.
 

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Oh, the GOM! I charge my ER-AWD to 80%. GOM shows 190 mile range. I head out to run some errands, drive 26 miles. Charge level drops to 84%, GOM shows range is 192 miles!
 

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I have a standard range all wheel drive, which is supposed to get 211 miles on a full charge. The best I have gotten is about 180. I know it’s cold here in Connecticut, but it was 50 out the other day. Anybody with similar issues?
A cold battery will produce as much as 30% LESS power than a warm one. With an AWD standard range rated for 211 miles, if your GOM isn’t saying 150 in the cold, you’re doing really well. I have the extended range AWD that is rated for 270 miles. At 30° my GOM will show 190 miles. You’re not as cold down there in Connecticut as I am up here on the Canadian Border. So congrats on getting so much range in less than ideal condition. You do have the lowest range Mach-E they make.
Also know that the GOM is ultra conservative and needs to be taken with a grain of salt. For true range, look at your miles/kWh on your trip meter. For your 68 kWh battery, it would read 2.6 miles/kWh for the GOM’s 180 miles to be true. If you’re getting 3.1 miles/kWh, then you’re hitting the EPA ideal range of 211 miles. I’d bet you’re somewhere in between but when it warms up in a couple weeks, I’d bet you start exceeding the EPA range.
 

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I'm in the Puget Sound Region of Washington State. It has been in the 50's here and the most I have gotten out of my AWD SR MME is 171 miles at 99%. I only have 455 miles on it so far and so I am hoping to see better numbers soon.
 

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Tl;dr: drive with climate control OFF (not auto) if weather allows for it.

I've only owned my MME for a few days, and it's my first ever EV, so I was similarly disappointed in the "projected range " number at first. But as I've driven it more and gotten to know how an EV works a bit more, this is what I've found:

- the projected range number you see on your dashboard is a function of your most recent trips. When I drove my MME home on the highway the first day, in cooler weather, with climate control on - the projected range was low the next day I drove her (it implied the max range would be around 200 miles for an AWD E)

- a couple of days later, it warmed up a bit enough where I finally turned off the climate control. Already I could see improvement in my current trip's mi/kwh, as well as in my instrument panel's projected range (as well as the implied max range)

- but last night, winter returned to the NYC area. I drove home with climate control on, heated seats on, heated steering on. My trip's mi/kwh plummeted and my projected range did too. The cold weather does two things to your car: 1) the battery loses heat to the exterior on its own, 2) if you have climate control set to 65, it will need to warm up the car from 35 to 65, which is a big drain to the battery.

On trips where I've had two legs in quick succession (for example driving to return some clothes yesterday), the outbound trip gave me very low mi/kwh because I had to heat up my car from cold to 65 degrees. But on the return leg I had much higher mi/kwh because I had to heat up the car while it was still already warm from leg #1 (since I only spent a couple of minutes inside the store).

Anyway don't get too hung up on the projected range. It will continue to evolve as you drive it. But unless it's freezing (or really hot), I would recommend driving with climate control OFF as much as possible, especially if exterior temps are in the 50-80 range.
The cabin heater is the major drain. The seats and steering wheel don't draw that much. A/C is also much easier on the battery than heat.
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