"iTs NoT a MuStAnG!"

[llinthicum1]

Ford obviously called the Mach-e a Mustang for marketing and they truly succeeded. It's a beautifully styled car. But, regardless of the drivetrain, the Mach-e is a cross over, basically the size of a Ford Escape. It is not a sports car. It's going to appeal to customers who want convenience of a 4 door SUV and want an alternative to a Tesla. Customers who want a Mustang will buy a Mustang (again whether it's BEV or ICE). Two totally different customer segments.

BTW, the interior of the Mach-e, the instrumentation and info screen, need a lot of help. At least it's 100% better than the Tesla, but after seeing the dash on Audi e-tron, Porsche Taycan, Kia EV6, those are so much better than the Mach-e. Hope Ford is listening.

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[JoeDimwit]

If you think any Escape, Edge, Explorer have the steering feel and damper tuning of the Mach E, tell me which ones. And don’t say Sport or ST models because they don’t , I’ve driven them. If your determination of Mustang-hood is based on instrument cluster screens, you’ve already lost me, bro. What Mustang owners brags about gauge cluster configs? ?

How many and which model Mustang coupes have you owned? I’m just curious.

I’m saying that if they had badged this car, built exactly as it is, as an Edge Mach-E then it would have performed exactly the same way it does.

As for your question of how many Mustangs I’ve owned… it doesn’t matter. But, if it makes you happier somehow, I have owned a 1967 Coupe with a 200 inline six, a 1979 fox body with a 2.8 v6, and came within a day of owning a 1977 Coupe with a 302. (The idiot blew it up the day before I was coming to pick it up. Do I qualify to have an opinion good person?

for the record, I would love to take a Mustang II and make it a BEV.


im not bragging about the gauge cluster configs on the Mustang, I’m complaining that they gave us nowhere near the gauge config options in the Mach-E that they give real mustang owners.

 

[JoeDimwit]

We all have visions of the "proper order" of things. The favorite airplane I ever flew was the 747. When I think of the 747 I immediately think of the 747-200. Cause that's what I flew. Not the SP, not the -300, -400, or -800. I recognize that those are 747's, but they're not the 747. Not to me anyway.

I imagine for many it's the same way with the Mustang. But when it comes down to it, Ford decides. Just as Boeing does. The Mustang is a family of cars now. But there's still only one Mustang.*




*and in my mind, the last of those was built in 1967.

The ‘68 was the best of the early Mustangs. They started getting seriously bloated in ‘69.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

My last car was a Ridgeline. I've heard it all.

That's not a pickup! It's uglier than sin too! Or just substitute "Ridgeline" in any"Not a Mustang" comment. I always thought it was a nice truck, a bit odd-looking for my tastes in the early models, but a pickup nonetheless.,

I'm liberal in my views and own a weapon.?‍

There are lots of us. I have several.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

Hmm, to think, I always thought the best 747 was an L-1011 ?. I kid, I kid….

Never flew the L-1011, before my time. The 747 lasted forever as a passenger and freighter aircraft though. The L-1011 was a nice riding airplane as a pax.

 

[Pushrods&Capacitors]

I’m saying that if they had badged this car, built exactly as it is, as an Edge Mach-E then it would have performed exactly the same way it does.

As for your question of how many Mustangs I’ve owned… it doesn’t matter. But, if it makes you happier somehow, I have owned a 1967 Coupe with a 200 inline six, a 1979 fox body with a 2.8 v6, and came within a day of owning a 1977 Coupe with a 302. (The idiot blew it up the day before I was coming to pick it up. Do I qualify to have an opinion good person?

for the record, I would love to take a Mustang II and make it a BEV.


im not bragging about the gauge cluster configs on the Mustang, I’m complaining that they gave us nowhere near the gauge config options in the Mach-E that they give real mustang owners.

I get what you’re saying about performance being the same with a different name, really.

But here is what the marketing guys/gals got right: Nobody would give 2 shits about an Edge or Explorer sporty EV CUV. And they were right. Now, it’s all over the place in mags, Social media, YouTube tests etc. the styling and Mustang branding are game-changers, like it or not. The fact that they gave the Mach E the chassis feel/handling to support the notion that it is a part of the Mustang family proves that it wasn’t just a badge job. The GT/PE will only cement this.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

The ‘68 was the best of the early Mustangs. They started getting seriously bloated in ‘69.

I have an uncle that had a 67 ragtop iirc. It was 90% finished in a full restore (new paint and a few other minor things to go) when a drunk driver hit it and totaled it. He still misses that car, he'd owned it for decades. I recall that when I was looking for my first car, the Mustangs were far from what I considered a Mustang should look like bloated and ugly. That was in ... mumble mumble...

 

[JoeDimwit]

I get what you’re saying about performance being the same with a different name, really.

But here is what the marketing guys/gals got right: Nobody would give 2 shits about an Edge or Explorer sporty EV CUV. And they were right. Now, it’s all over the place in mags, Social media, YouTube tests etc. the styling and Mustang branding are game-changers, like it or not. The fact that they gave the Mach E the chassis feel/handling to support the notion that it is a part of the Mustang family proves that it wasn’t just a badge job. The GT/PE will only cement this.

I disagree that nobody would care about a sporty BEV SUV. This was Fords first ground up EV, it was going to garner attention whatever they called it.

 

[Pushrods&Capacitors]

Never flew the L-1011, before my time. The 747 lasted forever as a passenger and freighter aircraft though. The L-1011 was a nice riding airplane as a pax.

Oh. I assumed you flew 200s early on or something. The L-1011 went strong into the ‘90s iirc.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

Oh. I assumed you flew 200s early on or something. The L-1011 went strong into the ‘90s iirc.

I flew the -200 for Flying Tigers and FedEx. That was in the mid to late 80's and into the early 90's.

And the DC-8-73 for 3 (technically 4) different airlines and the 727 and the MD-11.

And as much as I like the looks of the old analog instrument airliners, digital rules baby. While we still had analog-style gauges, they were simply digital reproductions (needles are easier to interpret than a number in many systems).

The transition mentally to an all-digital car is going to be a bit of a shift for some folks as well. In the end, I think it's far better. Wait till we see the first Shelby Mustang in all digital. There shall be much weeping and gnashing of teeth ...

 

[praxiscat]

Thats exactly what I’m saying. Ford already had performance versions of both the Edge and the Explorer that they could have made a Mach-E version of. There was no reason to use the Mustang nameplate except to get a bunch of people for whom a Mustang wasn’t practical a chance to own a mustang.

This was part of the reason why. But it also needed a successful EV out of the gate that would target a specific market segment who can afford a $40k-$70k vehicle and compete against Tesla. The edge or explorer would not have cut it at all considering the competitive landscape for EVs. A lesser brand would become an also ran with lesser polish, especially one of their more boring conservative brands labels. It really did need better branding, because like it or not, those would have likely not garnered the same attention. They likely would have been ignored. They needed to go bold enough to district from a Tesla. It needed to be a Mustang.

You may not consider it a mustang, that really doesn't matter. Nor does anybody elses opinion in that faction. The 2 door coupe purists didn't matter.

Ford intelligently realized that in the EV space in that price range you need something to garner the attention to make people consider something other than a Tesla. An edge or explorer would not cut it in comparison to a Tesla. It had to be a Mustang.

It was a smart business because even with any controversy it stood out. You may not like it, you may not consider it a mustang. But when push comes to shove ford with the mme basically successfully position as the primary alternative to Tesla in this price range and came out more favorably in many ways...you know it worked.

If this EV was a value proposition an edge or explorer may have worked. But it's not. It's an aspirational vehicle in the luxury and performance sector. No one in that sector would even consider an edge or explorer. I wouldn't have. I would have gotten a Tesla Model Y and moved on. The Mustang Mach-e gave me pause and made me check it out.

This is the thing...for ford to find success with EVs it can't rely on its boring brands. It needs to compete directly with Tesla. This means performance and luxury vehicles. This means Mustangs, gts, and potentially thunderbird.

Now mind you...you could have said why didn't they leverage the thunderbird namesake. That is a better question. But edge or explorer...please. No. Just no. Not in the EV space. They needed to go bold or die. The Mustang Mach-e was the right vehicle with the right styling for the moment.

With it, it became Ford versus Tesla. Which is exactly what Ford wanted.

 

[MachTee]

Prior to my MME, I've never owned a Mustang, but I lusted after fox body Mustangs when I was a kid. Funny thing is, after buying my MME, now I'm lusting after the current Mustang Mach-1. It has crossed my mind to buy one. That would be quite a nice pair in my garage, a MME and a MM1.

 

[DYohn]

FYI, once I decided to pull back my deposit on the Tesla Model Y (an easy choice for me once I got the chance to drive one as I didn't like it) I set out to test as many other other BEV crossover vehicles as I could. The choice came down to between the Jaguar iPace and the Mustang Mach-E. Mustang won my business because of better range in the EX version - and more interesting styling and higher tech control screen. Would I have looked at it if it had been a BEV version of an Edge? Not if it was an Edge in every other way. It needs the tech, the styling and the luxury Ford gave it in order to be the winner. I think I made the right choice for me.

 

[JoeDimwit]

FYI, once I decided to pull back my deposit on the Tesla Model Y (an easy choice for me once I got the chance to drive one as I didn't like it) I set out to test as many other other BEV crossover vehicles as I could. The choice came down to between the Jaguar iPace and the Mustang Mach-E. Mustang won my business because of better range in the EX version - and more interesting styling and higher tech control screen. Would I have looked at it if it had been a BEV version of an Edge? Not if it was an Edge in every other way. It needs the tech, the styling and the luxury Ford gave it in order to be the winner. I think I made the right choice for me.

Again, I’m saying everything would be exactly the same except the name. If the name matters, then respecting the names origin and legacy matters.

 

[MorsRedigo]

Went to my first big car meet with the Mach E, in fact it's one of the biggest Cars & Coffee events in the U.S...I've got to say, I've never owned a car that has gotten so much attention. That being said, a good amount of that attention was sadly, very negative. It's sad how much hate is shown to this car, especially from fellow Mustang owners.

How many of you have experienced this sort of hate on your Mach E?

no major issues in canada on cruse night in winnipeg. most people point and go oh my that is awesome! only one person in a dodge jeep without doors wasent a fan. but then again i also like doors on my vehicles so maybe related?

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