Cadillac Lyriq debut today - will Ford give us any news to steal their thunder?

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Volvo XC40 Recharge too, supposedly this year, although the lack of news on it lately is a bit disconcerting.
Is the XC40 like the Polestar 2 being Chinese-built too? If so, consider there will likely be tariffs inflating the price.
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Wow that introduction video looks remarkably similar to the Mach-E introduction (engineers on stage, social distancing apart, car in the background, etc.).
 

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Is the XC40 like the Polestar 2 being Chinese-built too? If so, consider there will likely be tariffs inflating the price.
Supposed to be built in Belgium.
 

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Volvo XC40 Recharge too, supposedly this year, although the lack of news on it lately is a bit disconcerting.
I've been waiting for many months for information from Volvo. A member on the Volvo forum wrote and was told: "You will be notified within the next few months to start building your vehicle, via email. We are expecting these vehicles to arrive in Q1 of 2021.".
 

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Wow that introduction video looks remarkably similar to the Mach-E introduction (engineers on stage, social distancing apart, car in the background, etc.).
I thought the same thing. Lots of flowery gobbledygook. Which I guess is what you have to do when short on details.

What few details they did provide were near duplicates of the Mach-e. Which will probably be the norm for most BEVs in this middle/higher level.
 


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I’m trying to figure out, other than being modular, what the advance is of the ultium battery. Similar range, similar 150KW DC speed. So what is it? and sheesh with that charging door. I hope it succeeds - Cadillac is just not my style. Cadillac is more like Las Vegas. I prefer Mustang Detroit style.
 

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https://jalopnik.com/the-2022-cadillac-lyriq-ev-reveal-only-shows-how-far-be-1844641121


The Cadillac Lyriq EV Reveal Only Shows How Far Behind Cadillac Really Is

Back in January of 2019, Cadillac’s big “one more thing” at the Detroit reveal of the 2020 Cadillac XT6 was news that an all-new, all-electric Cadillac crossover was coming in a few short years. GM is taking another step towards the luxury EV space against Tesla with the Cadillac Lyriq, but not until 2022.

When Cadillac announced its first electric vehicle would be a crossover, it didn’t even have a name ready for it yet. A year and a half later, we now know the thing is called the Lyriq, and it will be the first of a new nomenclature all unfortunately ending in -iq. At least they’re real names?

Today, Cadillac pulled the sheet off of another concept version of the Lyriq, supposedly representing around 80 percent of the finished product. The company also announced a range target of over 300 miles using General Motors’ new modular battery setup, and it will be capable of 150-kilowatt fast-charging. It will Level 2 charge at a rate up to 19 kilowatts.

It’ll be available in rear-wheel drive and all-wheel drive, and obviously be more targeted for street performance. Cadillac also mentioned the Lyriq’s center of gravity sits 3.9 inches lower than the XT5. I bet the EV corners better. The Lyriq is also targeting the basic size and dimensions of the XT5.

When it goes on sale in the far future of 2022, it will also offer the latest generation of Cadillac’s Super Cruise driver assistance system. The updated system is able to assist the driver in performing new maneuvers like lane changes.

Inside, the Lyriq gets a curved 33-inch LED display that stretches to show the driver display information as well as the infotainment features. In front of the driver is also an “augmented reality” heads-up display that uses two planes instead of one to project images onto the road ahead as if they were in 3D space.

As for mechanism and specifics, Cadillac was tight lipped about any performance clues. Perhaps they’re staying out of the way of Hummer for now, which kind of rains on the Lyriq’s parade a little bit when it comes to perceived enthusiasm for the brand and its new car.

But a 2022 sale date (so a 2023 model year?) is almost inexcusable at this point, even for Cadillac, and particularly for General Motors. The Chevy Bolt has been on sale for how long? GM has introduced how many new EVs to the Chinese market? So why is it taking so long to get a real luxury rival into the market?

Audi is already there. Mercedes is there. Jaguar has been there, and BMW has the iX3 going on sale in Europe soon and an all-electric crossover for the U.S. market coming next year. So why has GM been stalling with Cadillac?

To be fair, the electric games are just beginning, and a lot could still happen. At least Cadillac is only a little behind this time, and not coming up from the rear in a very angry but poor-selling 600-horsepower V8 racecar.
 

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Media articles now being posted with the juicy bits.

https://electrek.co/2020/08/06/cadi...9-kw-charging-option-arrives-late-2022-in-us/
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Here are the details:
  • DC fast charging will be up to 150 kilowatts
  • The latest version of Super Cruise (by the time it arrives in 2022) will be available. Features will include automated lane changes and remote parking.
  • A dual-plane augmented reality-enhanced head-up display
  • A 33-inch-diagonal advanced LED screen that spans the entire viewing area of the driver and provides billions of colors.
  • The Lyriq will recognize the driver and initiate a “greeting” with a complex choreographed sequence of the headlight’s vertical elements
  • New road noise cancellation technology
Meh
 

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https://jalopnik.com/the-2022-cadillac-lyriq-ev-reveal-only-shows-how-far-be-1844641121

But a 2022 sale date (so a 2023 model year?) is almost inexcusable at this point, even for Cadillac, and particularly for General Motors. The Chevy Bolt has been on sale for how long? GM has introduced how many new EVs to the Chinese market? So why is it taking so long to get a real luxury rival into the market?
GM's Lordstown battery factory is under construction and due to be complete some time in 2022. I don't think GM has the battery supply to build the Lyriq at scale before then.
 

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I’m trying to figure out, other than being modular, what the advance is of the ultium battery. Similar range, similar 150KW DC speed. So what is it? and sheesh with that charging door. I hope it succeeds - Cadillac is just not my style. Cadillac is more like Las Vegas. I prefer Mustang Detroit style.
Personally I think most upcoming EVs are high end - > 50K ish . Where they are lower priced, they have smaller range. US market really needs reasonable priced 300 mile range options. Cadillac is going to one more high end EV and in 2022 , there will be way more competitors to compete for the same high end segment $$/customers. GM should have been working on a extended range option BEV that they could deliver sooner with a reasonable price/range characteristics.
I just dont see myself buying the Lyriq even if I were not thinking of the Mach E unless its the only option and it is not.
 

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Personally I think most upcoming EVs are high end - > 50K ish . Where they are lower priced, they have smaller range. US market really needs reasonable priced 300 mile range options. Cadillac is going to one more high end EV and in 2022 , there will be way more competitors to compete for the same high end segment $$/customers. GM should have been working on a extended range option BEV that they could deliver sooner with a reasonable price/range characteristics.
I just dont see myself buying the Lyriq even if I were not thinking of the Mach E unless its the only option and it is not.
This reminds me a lot of GM's stupid emphasis on overpriced large gas guzzlers in the mid to late 2k's. I remember their tag line "the biggest, baddest SUV on the planet". Congratulations dummies, you got caught completely flatfooted in the meltdown of 2008. I'm not a very smart guy, but even I knew the cheap gas and rampant economy of the time couldn't last. That mistake marked the end of 80 year's dominance as the world's #1 automaker. Now the financial meltdown of 2020 is happening and they're unveiling what will obviously be another overly expensive car that will compete for a small chunk of a small segment. The difference this time is that they were already retreating from global markets because they can't compete with Toyota, Hyundai, or Kia.

They could have taken advantage of those companies' current reluctance to push BEV's and concentrated on making the Bolt competitive by updating its DCFC charging to 150kw, adding at least adaptive cruise, and fixing the atrocious seats. Even with its shortcomings, the recent price slashing on the Bolt has actually given it a nice share of the market - but it will be short lived when Hyundai et al correct their mistake (and they WILL). Instead, GM is focused on a luxury truck and luxury car with ridiculous 33 inch screen and useless 19kw L2 charging - "features" that will add costs for marginal benefits.
 

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Media articles now being posted with the juicy bits.

https://electrek.co/2020/08/06/cadi...9-kw-charging-option-arrives-late-2022-in-us/
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Here are the details:
  • DC fast charging will be up to 150 kilowatts
  • The latest version of Super Cruise (by the time it arrives in 2022) will be available. Features will include automated lane changes and remote parking.
  • A dual-plane augmented reality-enhanced head-up display
  • A 33-inch-diagonal advanced LED screen that spans the entire viewing area of the driver and provides billions of colors.
  • The Lyriq will recognize the driver and initiate a “greeting” with a complex choreographed sequence of the headlight’s vertical elements
  • New road noise cancellation technology
I have no desire to even entertain the possibility of waiting around to purchase this car. I'd probably buy a Tesla (imperfections and all) before the Lyriq.
 

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This is almost inexcusable. We're talking about a vehicle that will not even be to market for two more years, best case scenario. With the amount of EVs coming out and improvements to existing ones, in order to entice people to wait, the specs would have to blow people away. This is the luxury segment. It should kill. Instead, they are just decent for today. The MME already has these specs, will be available this year (hopefully), and I'm sure cost less.

But then, what will the 2022 and 2023 MMEs look like? What will the Teslas look like by then? I mean, I hate the look of the Cybertruck, but at least a 2.9 sec 0-60 and 500 mile range is damn intriguing. Rivian promises a 400+ mile range and 0-60 in 3 seconds. Doesn't Cadillac think that will be available by then? With so little to show, Cadillac, instead, should have gone for "wow" and then basically, delayed until it's a reality. I can't understand who would be persuaded to wait for this.
 

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Personally I think most upcoming EVs are high end - > 50K ish . Where they are lower priced, they have smaller range. US market really needs reasonable priced 300 mile range options.
While I agree that's what the market needs, getting there is a problem because the battery packs are still so expensive. Not sure what the wholesale cost is, but Ford is charging $5000 on the MME for an extra 24 kWh (ER). That would extrapolate to ~$15,000 for the first 75 kWh ($20,000 to get it up to 300 miles).

Then you have to add the cost of the entire rest of the vehicle to that. That puts the cost of even a low-end vehicle pushing $40k. But it's hard to sell a low-end vehicle for $40k. Most people spending that much for a vehicle want something nicer. That's why we're seeing $50k+ on most BEVs. (For instance, most MME buyers appear to be popping for Premium or GT, not Select).

Battery prices per kWh are simply gonna have to come down further before serious market share for BEVs occurs.
 
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This reminds me a lot of GM's stupid emphasis on overpriced large gas guzzlers in the mid to late 2k's. I remember their tag line "the biggest, baddest SUV on the planet". Congratulations dummies, you got caught completely flatfooted in the meltdown of 2008. I'm not a very smart guy, but even I knew the cheap gas and rampant economy of the time couldn't last. That mistake marked the end of 80 year's dominance as the world's #1 automaker. Now the financial meltdown of 2020 is happening and they're unveiling what will obviously be another overly expensive car that will compete for a small chunk of a small segment. The difference this time is that they were already retreating from global markets because they can't compete with Toyota, Hyundai, or Kia.

They could have taken advantage of those companies' current reluctance to push BEV's and concentrated on making the Bolt competitive by updating its DCFC charging to 150kw, adding at least adaptive cruise, and fixing the atrocious seats. Even with its shortcomings, the recent price slashing on the Bolt has actually given it a nice share of the market - but it will be short lived when Hyundai et al correct their mistake (and they WILL). Instead, GM is focused on a luxury truck and luxury car with ridiculous 33 inch screen and useless 19kw L2 charging - "features" that will add costs for marginal benefits.
Um you do know that they are planning a refresh of the Bolt. They keep dropping hints now and then about when a new Bolt will be coming. Haven't formally announced anything yet.

Personally, I have no issues with the seats and I sit in them daily (well I used to before COVID).
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