Why the Mustang Mach E is better than the Tesla Model Y

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MME should have the proper torque applied to the lower control arm nuts.

The commenters that feared the car already came without the nuts examined the pictures and concluded they were initially there, but fell off with time. What is weird is that RoyalDoveMY's EV is "barely a month old"

The bottom line is that Tesla vehicles still seem to be getting out of the factory without proper torque in key safety components such as the low ball joint nut. That turns this suspension issue into way more than just an aesthetical concern. This is a safety matter...

https://insideevs.com/news/442028/tesla-model-y-missing-suspension-nuts/
All these issues with Tesla cars will finally get them a very bad reputation, specially if someone is hurt or kill by their bad assembly and bad quality control. You can be the best in the world for your tech but if you cannot put it together in the right way it will hurt you.
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All these issues with Tesla cars will finally get them a very bad reputation, specially if someone is hurt or kill by their bad assembly and bad quality control. You can be the best in the world for your tech but if you cannot put it together in the right way it will hurt you.
I flew an airplane for 17 years which was extremely highly advanced for the civil aviation field. Great tech. Better than Boeing's tech by far. It did have one behavioral issue though. If you didn't land it just right, it tended to flip over on its back and break the right wing off. People died. But it WAS a great aircraft tech wise. But you know what pilots remember about it? It rolled on its back and broke the right wing off. They forget that Boeing fixed it (post merger).

It'll be the same with Tesla and quality issues unless they stop it fast.
 

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No Home Depot supplied parts on the Mach-E. LOL

https://www.thedrive.com/tech/36274...bled-together-with-home-depot-grade-fake-wood

Tesla Model Y Owners Find Cooling System Cobbled Together With Home Depot-Grade Fake Wood
The world's most valuable automaker, ladies and gentlemen.

Tesla is known for quickly adapting to changing environments. From setting up shop in a tent to increase production output to reducing design complexity to maximize profits—success requires the ability to juke around obstacles at a moment's notice. However, not all of these changes are carefully executed, as a recent thread on the Tesla Motors Club forum shows. According to several owners of the all-new Model Y, Tesla has allegedly assembled their cars using what appears to be faux wood trim from a home improvement store.
It all started with a forum post featuring a photo of a Model Y's frunk plastics removed. The original poster of the thread had reportedly spent more than ten hours disassembling their Model Y to correct poor panel fitment when they came across a large chunk of metal secured with green tape and a small strap.
"Someone made a run to Home Depot to make Q2 numbers," jested the thread's original poster.


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Shortly after, a few other posters chimed in with photos of the same part, showing more wood grain and a few plain white mounts as well.
That part you're looking at is the Model Y's Liquid Cooled Condenser (LCC). Its job is essentially that of a heat exchanger, passing refrigerant through a large block where it transfers the thermal properties of the cryogen with other parts of the cooling system. This is just one small sliver of Tesla's unique octavalve cooling system found in the Model Y that is responsible for conditioning the car's cabin, battery, and drive unit simultaneously.
The trim appears to be providing some strain relief for the strap holding the LCC in place, perhaps to keep the tension from providing unnecessary stress on the condenser during vibration or flexing, or to prevent any sharp corners from severing the strap itself. However, it's worth noting that Tesla didn't always use what appears to be akin to in-home molding in this application. In fact, several videos on YouTube show vehicles fitted with a clear plastic part in place of the trim.

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VIA YOUTUBE | DAERIK
YouTuber DAErik shows off an early Model Y which does not feature wood trim.
Interestingly, Tesla's own parts catalog doesn't show the any such mounting solution found on the various Model Ys in the thread. It's not clear if the part simply isn't documented, or if it was a rapid fix that has remained in production for quite some time.
Veteran auto manufacturing critic Sandy Munro previously looked over a car that contained the white trim option and it wasn't enough for him to criticize the automaker, so it's possible that the part is simply cheap and is working for the job. Still, Model Y owners are raising eyebrows and questioning how trim that appears to be from the shelf of a hardware store somehow ended up under the factory plastics of a $55,000 premium vehicle.
 

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No Home Depot supplied parts on the Mach-E. LOL

https://www.thedrive.com/tech/36274...bled-together-with-home-depot-grade-fake-wood

Tesla Model Y Owners Find Cooling System Cobbled Together With Home Depot-Grade Fake Wood
The world's most valuable automaker, ladies and gentlemen.

Tesla is known for quickly adapting to changing environments. From setting up shop in a tent to increase production output to reducing design complexity to maximize profits—success requires the ability to juke around obstacles at a moment's notice. However, not all of these changes are carefully executed, as a recent thread on the Tesla Motors Club forum shows. According to several owners of the all-new Model Y, Tesla has allegedly assembled their cars using what appears to be faux wood trim from a home improvement store.
It all started with a forum post featuring a photo of a Model Y's frunk plastics removed. The original poster of the thread had reportedly spent more than ten hours disassembling their Model Y to correct poor panel fitment when they came across a large chunk of metal secured with green tape and a small strap.
"Someone made a run to Home Depot to make Q2 numbers," jested the thread's original poster.


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Shortly after, a few other posters chimed in with photos of the same part, showing more wood grain and a few plain white mounts as well.
That part you're looking at is the Model Y's Liquid Cooled Condenser (LCC). Its job is essentially that of a heat exchanger, passing refrigerant through a large block where it transfers the thermal properties of the cryogen with other parts of the cooling system. This is just one small sliver of Tesla's unique octavalve cooling system found in the Model Y that is responsible for conditioning the car's cabin, battery, and drive unit simultaneously.
The trim appears to be providing some strain relief for the strap holding the LCC in place, perhaps to keep the tension from providing unnecessary stress on the condenser during vibration or flexing, or to prevent any sharp corners from severing the strap itself. However, it's worth noting that Tesla didn't always use what appears to be akin to in-home molding in this application. In fact, several videos on YouTube show vehicles fitted with a clear plastic part in place of the trim.

Ford Mustang Mach-E Why the Mustang Mach E is better than the Tesla Model Y message-editor%2F1599651684848-youtubedaerik

VIA YOUTUBE | DAERIK
YouTuber DAErik shows off an early Model Y which does not feature wood trim.
Interestingly, Tesla's own parts catalog doesn't show the any such mounting solution found on the various Model Ys in the thread. It's not clear if the part simply isn't documented, or if it was a rapid fix that has remained in production for quite some time.
Veteran auto manufacturing critic Sandy Munro previously looked over a car that contained the white trim option and it wasn't enough for him to criticize the automaker, so it's possible that the part is simply cheap and is working for the job. Still, Model Y owners are raising eyebrows and questioning how trim that appears to be from the shelf of a hardware store somehow ended up under the factory plastics of a $55,000 premium vehicle.
After seeing / reading that, I have no comment . . . . . unbelievable. The least they could have done is to burn the Tesla name and logo so it's an official part.
 

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No Home Depot supplied parts on the Mach-E. LOL

https://www.thedrive.com/tech/36274...bled-together-with-home-depot-grade-fake-wood

Tesla Model Y Owners Find Cooling System Cobbled Together With Home Depot-Grade Fake Wood
The world's most valuable automaker, ladies and gentlemen.

Tesla is known for quickly adapting to changing environments. From setting up shop in a tent to increase production output to reducing design complexity to maximize profits—success requires the ability to juke around obstacles at a moment's notice. However, not all of these changes are carefully executed, as a recent thread on the Tesla Motors Club forum shows. According to several owners of the all-new Model Y, Tesla has allegedly assembled their cars using what appears to be faux wood trim from a home improvement store.
It all started with a forum post featuring a photo of a Model Y's frunk plastics removed. The original poster of the thread had reportedly spent more than ten hours disassembling their Model Y to correct poor panel fitment when they came across a large chunk of metal secured with green tape and a small strap.
"Someone made a run to Home Depot to make Q2 numbers," jested the thread's original poster.


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Shortly after, a few other posters chimed in with photos of the same part, showing more wood grain and a few plain white mounts as well.
That part you're looking at is the Model Y's Liquid Cooled Condenser (LCC). Its job is essentially that of a heat exchanger, passing refrigerant through a large block where it transfers the thermal properties of the cryogen with other parts of the cooling system. This is just one small sliver of Tesla's unique octavalve cooling system found in the Model Y that is responsible for conditioning the car's cabin, battery, and drive unit simultaneously.
The trim appears to be providing some strain relief for the strap holding the LCC in place, perhaps to keep the tension from providing unnecessary stress on the condenser during vibration or flexing, or to prevent any sharp corners from severing the strap itself. However, it's worth noting that Tesla didn't always use what appears to be akin to in-home molding in this application. In fact, several videos on YouTube show vehicles fitted with a clear plastic part in place of the trim.

Ford Mustang Mach-E Why the Mustang Mach E is better than the Tesla Model Y message-editor%2F1599651684848-youtubedaerik

VIA YOUTUBE | DAERIK
YouTuber DAErik shows off an early Model Y which does not feature wood trim.
Interestingly, Tesla's own parts catalog doesn't show the any such mounting solution found on the various Model Ys in the thread. It's not clear if the part simply isn't documented, or if it was a rapid fix that has remained in production for quite some time.
Veteran auto manufacturing critic Sandy Munro previously looked over a car that contained the white trim option and it wasn't enough for him to criticize the automaker, so it's possible that the part is simply cheap and is working for the job. Still, Model Y owners are raising eyebrows and questioning how trim that appears to be from the shelf of a hardware store somehow ended up under the factory plastics of a $55,000 premium vehicle.
I wonder if this is what Sandy Munro was thinking when he said that Tesla iterates and innovates faster than any of the older OEM's?
 


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No Home Depot supplied parts on the Mach-E. LOL

https://www.thedrive.com/tech/36274...bled-together-with-home-depot-grade-fake-wood

Tesla Model Y Owners Find Cooling System Cobbled Together With Home Depot-Grade Fake Wood
The world's most valuable automaker, ladies and gentlemen.

Tesla is known for quickly adapting to changing environments. From setting up shop in a tent to increase production output to reducing design complexity to maximize profits—success requires the ability to juke around obstacles at a moment's notice. However, not all of these changes are carefully executed, as a recent thread on the Tesla Motors Club forum shows. According to several owners of the all-new Model Y, Tesla has allegedly assembled their cars using what appears to be faux wood trim from a home improvement store.
It all started with a forum post featuring a photo of a Model Y's frunk plastics removed. The original poster of the thread had reportedly spent more than ten hours disassembling their Model Y to correct poor panel fitment when they came across a large chunk of metal secured with green tape and a small strap.
"Someone made a run to Home Depot to make Q2 numbers," jested the thread's original poster.


message-editor%2F1599653997555-teslawoodlcc.png

message-editor%2F1599654006907-teslawhitelcc.jpg

message-editor%2F1599654153282-teslawoodlcc2.jpg


Shortly after, a few other posters chimed in with photos of the same part, showing more wood grain and a few plain white mounts as well.
That part you're looking at is the Model Y's Liquid Cooled Condenser (LCC). Its job is essentially that of a heat exchanger, passing refrigerant through a large block where it transfers the thermal properties of the cryogen with other parts of the cooling system. This is just one small sliver of Tesla's unique octavalve cooling system found in the Model Y that is responsible for conditioning the car's cabin, battery, and drive unit simultaneously.
The trim appears to be providing some strain relief for the strap holding the LCC in place, perhaps to keep the tension from providing unnecessary stress on the condenser during vibration or flexing, or to prevent any sharp corners from severing the strap itself. However, it's worth noting that Tesla didn't always use what appears to be akin to in-home molding in this application. In fact, several videos on YouTube show vehicles fitted with a clear plastic part in place of the trim.

message-editor%2F1599651684848-youtubedaerik.png

VIA YOUTUBE | DAERIK
YouTuber DAErik shows off an early Model Y which does not feature wood trim.
Interestingly, Tesla's own parts catalog doesn't show the any such mounting solution found on the various Model Ys in the thread. It's not clear if the part simply isn't documented, or if it was a rapid fix that has remained in production for quite some time.
Veteran auto manufacturing critic Sandy Munro previously looked over a car that contained the white trim option and it wasn't enough for him to criticize the automaker, so it's possible that the part is simply cheap and is working for the job. Still, Model Y owners are raising eyebrows and questioning how trim that appears to be from the shelf of a hardware store somehow ended up under the factory plastics of a $55,000 premium vehicle.
I saw that and it reminded me of conversations I've seen here about how great the MY heat pump system is. I'd be worried if I owned a Tesla based on Elon's claim that this was some of the best engineering he has seen in awhile...

Side note, I just went out and loaded up on Home Depot stock now that I know they are a top tier supplier for Tesla (not serious)
 

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I wonder if this is what Sandy Munro was thinking when he said that Tesla iterates and innovates faster than any of the older OEM's?
They did innovate fast.

Line part supply manager: "We're out of Liquid Cooled Condenser support braces."
Production manager: "What's that?"
Line part supply manager: "The braces that hold the Liquid Cooled Condenser in place."
Production manager: "Order more."
Line part supply manager: "We can't. The supplier is shut down due to COVID-19."
Production manager: "What do they look like?"
Line part supply manager: Shows him part
Production manager: "Home Depot is essential. Send someone to Home Depot to find something that will work instead."

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They did innovate fast.

Line part supply manager: "We're out of Liquid Cooled Condenser support braces."
Production manager: "What's that?"
Line part supply manager: "The braces that hold the Liquid Cooled Condenser in place."
Production manager: "Order more."
Line part supply manager: "We can't. The supplier is shut down due to COVID-19."
Production manager: "What do they look like?"
Line part supply manager: Shows him part
Production manager: "Home Depot is essential. Send someone to Home Depot to find something that will work instead."

Innovation!
I know you are joking, but you may NOT be far from the truth.
 

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I saw that and it reminded me of conversations I've seen here about how great the MY heat pump system is. I'd be worried if I owned a Tesla based on Elon's claim that this was some of the best engineering he has seen in awhile...

Side note, I just went out and loaded up on Home Depot stock now that I know they are a top tier supplier for Tesla (not serious)
Seems like they do good engineering. It's manufacturing/assembly that they can't do.
 

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Seems like they do good engineering. It's manufacturing/assembly that they can't do.
Perhaps, although this "part" isn't included in the first runs or listed as a part, so it was likely added to address an issue (unknown if it was a function issue, quality issue or manufacturing issue). So I still think it goes back to engineering since if this part is needed, it should have been part of the engineering design in the first place.
 

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Perhaps, although this "part" isn't included in the first runs or listed as a part, so it was likely added to address an issue (unknown if it was a function issue, quality issue or manufacturing issue). So I still think it goes back to engineering since if this part is needed, it should have been part of the engineering design in the first place.
Well there will always be examples of screw ups by every manufacturer...engineering included. So I'm referring to the more general sense.

I actually think this is kind of clever solution to a problem they had. Still unacceptable.
 

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Well there will always be examples of screw ups by every manufacturer...engineering included. So I'm referring to the more general sense.

I actually think this is kind of clever solution to a problem they had. Still unacceptable.
Likely very clever (I won't know unless I can figure out the reason for the addition) but also very scary.

It's scary for a couple of reasons...
1. Why was it done? And what is going to be done to document the need for this added part and to potentially fix those made prior to this 'fix'.. recalls? Advisory bulletins?

2. What other parts/systems are innovated on the fly that might cause safety concerns.
 

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Well there will always be examples of screw ups by every manufacturer...engineering included. So I'm referring to the more general sense.

I actually think this is kind of clever solution to a problem they had. Still unacceptable.
Clever solution if you are buying a Yugo; or a product from Ikea.
 
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Likely very clever (I won't know unless I can figure out the reason for the addition) but also very scary.

It's scary for a couple of reasons...
1. Why was it done? And what is going to be done to document the need for this added part and to potentially fix those made prior to this 'fix'.. recalls? Advisory bulletins?

2. What other parts/systems are innovated on the fly that might cause safety concerns.
Clever solution if you are buying a Yugo; or a product from Ikea.
Absolutely agree. Just to be clear, I'm saying it was a clever solution to a problem. Not the correct, right, safe, sane, acceptable solution.
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