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No change on Electrify Canada yet, let's whatch. And by the way no new stations where added for a long time, so I'm not sure they are gone meet their objective for this year's planning.
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Wow, those prices are dramatically lower. Looks like the per-minute price cut is actually bigger than the equivalent per-kWh. $0.32/minute vs the old $0.99/minute is only 32% of the old rate. A 68% price cut!!!

Using Ford's 10-80% in 45 minutes charge time, that would have been 61.6 kWh costing $44.55 (at the full $0.99 rate) = $0.72/kWh. The new $0.43/kWh rate is a 40% price cut. (Counting full rate before to full rate after).

Either way though, it's a huge (and unexpected) price cut. I thought it might be slightly lower, but Wow.
 

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The more miles driven at cheap residential rates, the bigger the per-mile fuel cost savings relative to ICE. At more expensive retail charging rates, not so much. Although EA's dramatic price cut today does put it roughly on par with gas (depending on the vehicle, and gas prices in that region).

For my Escape (comparable in size to the MME), gas on a highway drive works out to about $0.10/mile. EA's new rate of $0.43/kWh on a high speed estimated efficiency of somewhere around 3 miles/kWh works out to about $0.14/mile. And about $0.10/mile at the subscription rate (plus $4/mo). So it's roughly the same now.

Of course, that's only if you can find EA stations where you need them. A sketchy undertaking on many routes.
 

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So it will be interesting to see what the FordPass rates are. Will they be the EA member rates?
 

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But again, that depends heavily on the price of charging.

At residential rates that are much cheaper than gas, yes. But at retail rates that are similar to or more than gas? Not really. It's those fuel savings that are needed to offset most of the extra $10k-15k vehicle price premium. Maintenance offsets a little but it's mostly about fuel savings.
 


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The real key is how your MME now compares to an ICE, based on $.31/kwh the member rates (assuming fordpass includes or you pay for it yourself), using $/mile to compare:

SR RWD MME:
68kwh * .31 = $21.08
$21.08/230 mi = $.0916 /mi

ER RWD MME:
88kwh * .31 = $27.28
$27.28/ 300mi = .0909

ER AWD MME:
88kwh * .31 = $27.28
$27.28/ 270mi = .101

ICE @25 mpg, $2.50/g:
$2.50 / 25mi = .10
 
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My AWD 2016 Escape - that I would consider to be similar size gets 26.7 MPG, and I do 95% of my miles on the Highway to and from the Office.
 

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The real key is how your MME now compares to an ICE, based on $.31/kwh the member rates (assuming fordpass includes or you pay for it yourself), using $/mile to compare:

SR RWD MME:
68kwh * .31 = $21.08
$21.08/230 mi = $.0916 /mi

ER RWD MME:
88kwh * .31 = $27.28
$27.28/ 300mi = .0909

ER AWD MME:
88kwh * .31 = $27.28
$27.28/ 270mi = .101

ICE @25 mpg, $2.50/g:
$2.50 / 25mi = .10
I know it's not a lot of money on just a couple of road trips per year, but getting the road trip refuel cost down to par with gas is a big psychological hurdle to me.

Long BEV road trips already take hours longer (which I know for some people is no big deal, but it is a negative for others). But then add to that the "twice the price to refuel" and it simply didn't make a lot of sense to choose the Mach-E in the garage for a long road trip rather than the Escape.

But now I can cross that negative off. With high speed mileage losses, it might be closer to $0.12/mile, but that's close enough to call it even. No $30-$45 refuels like it originally looked like. They should all be <$20 now.

Now I just need to convince myself to shift into "take my time" road trip driving instead of "just get there". I guess it's still gonna cost more because now a hotel stop each way is needed. But I can justify that more than paying twice the price for fuel.

This dramatic EA price cut is truly a game-changer.
 

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There is one negative to this that I can think of... chargers could be tied up longer, making it harder to get into one. The old per-minute pricing made it progressively expensive to charge past 60%... 70%... 80%... as the charge curve slowed. It was more likely people would move on after 20-30 minutes because of that progressive cost penalty.

But now, that cost disincentive is lifted. People will be more willing to charge deeper, perhaps walking down the street for a 60-minute sit-down meal instead of a 20-minute take-out burger. The 40c/minute idle fee still kicks in if they wait too long, but that has a 10-minute grace period after reaching 100% SOC. That could be 30 minutes longer than the normal 80% stopping point.
 

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But again, that depends heavily on the price of charging.

At residential rates that are much cheaper than gas, yes. But at retail rates that are similar to or more than gas? Not really. It's those fuel savings that are needed to offset most of the extra $10k-15k vehicle price premium. Maintenance offsets a little but it's mostly about fuel savings.
At the same time road trips are only 5% to 10% of your energy cost for the car
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