Active Drive Assist will cost $1,400 (says Autoline Daily)

[efisher]

This transition is going to have its moments.

As 'autonomous' vehicles increase on the roads, human drivers will force the issue, knowing the computers will likely be coded to give way. Catalyst for road rage anyone?

While that will be quite an issue to overcome..... what about situations where many 'autonomous' vehicles reach a critical interaction and each tries to defer to the others due to programming....or each tries to be the one to take the bull by the horns by acting aggressively. I am imagining instances of widespread gridlock & accidents.

If you watch the Mobileye videos, the autonomous driving systems are programmed to be situationally aggressive during mergers and lane changes.

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[bluestarct]

Knowing Your Mustang Mach-E: Connected Navigation

Your Ford Mustang Mach-E* is equipped with SYNC® 4A with Enhanced Voice Recognition and Connected Built-In Navigation** -- the latest technology to help make your travels a bit easier. This video explains how it works.

The disclaimer at the beginning of the video says we have a complimentary 3 year period with the navigation. I wonder what the cost will be like after that. Updating the Ford map in my truck is $149 which I am skipping because I have Google Maps and Apple Maps.

Will Ford include the annual navigation update with the $1400 Active Drive Assist purchase? Or will you still have to pay for maps every year?

 

[zhackwyatt]

It's interesting too because there are going to be cases (already have been) where a driver said if I was controlling the vehicle, I would have avoided an accident. But I think there are going to be more cases where the car avoided an accident that a human driver would have caused in the first place. Harder to quantify those of course.

 

[agoldman]

The disclaimer at the beginning of the video says we have a complimentary 3 year period with the navigation. I wonder what the cost will be like after that. Updating the Ford map in my truck is $149 which I am skipping because I have Google Maps and Apple Maps.

Will Ford include the annual navigation update with the $1400 Active Drive Assist purchase? Or will you still have to pay for maps every year?

I don't plan on keeping it 3 years, but they need to get with the program. Paid map updates are so 90's. It's ridiculous. People are done being nickle and dim'ed with this sort of thing. In 3 years there will be loads of new competition to choose from anyway.

 

[mamejunkie]

I would never pay for navigation. They support Android Auto & Apple CarPlay so plan on using Google Maps when needed.

 

[FredT]

I would never pay for navigation. They support Android Auto & Apple CarPlay so plan on using Google Maps when needed.

But it's free for three years.

 

[timbop]

I don't plan on keeping it 3 years, but they need to get with the program. Paid map updates are so 90's. It's ridiculous. People are done being nickle and dim'ed with this sort of thing. In 3 years there will be loads of new competition to choose from anyway.

You are not paying for "map updates". You will be paying for realtime 4G data connectivity for charger availability data, traffic data, AND an occasional map update for storage when online coverage is spotty. There is a BIG difference.

 

[Woeo]

If you watch the Mobileye videos, the autonomous driving systems are programmed to be situationally aggressive during mergers and lane changes.

Understood and expected. Computer cars can’t be timid anymore than a teen entering the highway during their learning curve can avoid hurling themselves into situations they can’t be 100% certain they will survive unscathed.

Recently watched the Jerusalem video. Very impressive.

However that was one ‘autonomous’ vehicle on the road acting aggressively against human drivers. Soon critical interactions will happen when ’autonomous’ cars will be more numerous and find themselves acting aggressively with one another. Throw humans in the mix who are unaware the other cars are ’autonomous’ who expect they will behave as human drivers would. Add others who are aware and believe the programmed cars will always give way. More who are aware but believe the programmed cars won’t give way and thus will make unsafe stops, decelerations, lane changes, etc. as a consequence.

Can all the problems be fully sorted with time? Perhaps.

However the human experience with engineering and software development should give pause to those who think the journey will be smooth.

 

[JamieGeek]

However the human experience with engineering and software development should give pause to those who think the journey will be smooth.

or quick.

 

[jhalkias]

Those Mobileye videos are pretty fascinating. Especially when it navigates a roundabout - which I always have difficulty with as a human. It’s also not lost on me that their test vehicle is a Ford Fusion.

 

[ClaudeMach-E]

Also, cell and gps signals are required for the GM system. Hopefully this is less restrictive.

I think Darren Palmer said that the mapping is downloaded into the car computer for that and that is why you can only drive hands free on selected road or mapped roads.

 

[ClaudeMach-E]

The only reaso i would consider maybe getting is the reversing out of tight parking spots. Thats all, can this feature fo this or is it already included without this adfon

Park Assist 2.0 is already included exept for the Select where it is optional.

 

[ClaudeMach-E]

Just returned from a road trip in my dad's CRV. It has ACC, which I used most of the time. Like in your rental Camry, it allowed me to adjust following distance using 1-4 bars. I prefer a longer follow because it allows the vehicle to be more efficient by not using mechanical braking as often. However, when getting to busier roadways I would end up shutting it off because anytime someone jumps in front, the car hard brakes, which makes anyone behind it want to get around it, and so on.

So, ACC is really cool for less populated roads, and maybe also for heavy stop and go, but haven't tried that yet. I think the CRV might not handle the stop and go situation whereas Mach-E's ACC implementation is enhanced for that (up to 30 seconds of full stop is handled, or something like that).

One solution in heavy traffic because you are running at slower speed is to reduce the space bar so nobody gets in the space.

 

[ClaudeMach-E]

Understood and expected. Computer cars can’t be timid anymore than a teen entering the highway during their learning curve can avoid hurling themselves into situations they can’t be 100% certain they will survive unscathed.

Recently watched the Jerusalem video. Very impressive.

However that was one ‘autonomous’ vehicle on the road acting aggressively against human drivers. Soon critical interactions will happen when ’autonomous’ cars will be more numerous and find themselves acting aggressively with one another. Throw humans in the mix who are unaware the other cars are ’autonomous’ who expect they will behave as human drivers would. Add others who are aware and believe the programmed cars will always give way. More who are aware but believe the programmed cars won’t give way and thus will make unsafe stops, decelerations, lane changes, etc. as a consequence.

Can all the problems be fully sorted with time? Perhaps.

However the human experience with engineering and software development should give pause to those who think the journey will be smooth.

I've read an article once of scientist, not programmers, that said full autonomous driving is an impossible task to achieve, not talking about the 25 km an hour airport shuttle drives, for the exact reason that you've just mentionned. To many choices for an AI can occur in an instant.

 

[kdryden99]

Park Assist 2.0 is already included exept for the Select where it is optional.

I meant the one where you can call your car and itll reverse out of the spot without you in the car

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