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I am in South Florida and do mostly local driving - so I'm glad I did not get Blue Cruise - that said - I ran the directions from my house to disney - and the points where blue cruise seems to not be available are around construction areas or areas that tend to have more traffic/ merges / lane shifts - so from that perspective it seems pretty accurate.

I wonder if they will enable / disable blue cruise based on traffic conditions or known construction areas - even if it was previously enabled
BlueCruise handsfree works in traffic, so no.

If construction takes away the lines on either side of the lane, or detours, like onto the other side of the freeway, handsfree stops working.
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Should probably pump the brakes here on any guarantees that a paid subscription means you get the newest version. If the 1.2 upgrade is hardware based, Ford will plan on charging everyone with old hardware for the original functionality BlueCruise subscription.

I hope I’m wrong, but let’s at least admit it’s possible that functionality is tagged by model year, like it is with so many other things.

Can anyone post a press release that says 1.2 will definitely be offered to prior model vehicles?
Yes. April 14, 2021.

Future enhancements are planned to include Lane Change Assist that will let the vehicle change lanes with just a tap of the turn signal indicator, and Predictive Speed Assist that will adjust vehicle speed for road curves, roundabouts and more.

https://media.ford.com/content/ford...road-trips-bluecruise-hands-free-driving.html

And to those that say "it doesn't explicitly say it will work on 2021s and 2022s, give it a rest.
 

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I wonder if the BC drop-outs on turns is not a map data issue, but is a matter of steering force input.

Going straightish down the road BC will steer itself but seemlessly allows me to override BCs control and swerve, change lanes etc with relatively little force - I'm not "wrestling" control back. In these conditions, my overriding steering input force is less than what is required to hold a turn at speed.

I suspect either BC is unable to exert enough steering force to hold a curve at high speed, or it isn't capable of distinguishing between when it should exert that much force to hold a turn and when it should allow external input force (either driver input or road force) to override it.

Or I'm just imagining all this as I cruise up and down the higway at high speen pondering how the heck this all works....
 

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I wonder if the BC drop-outs on turns is not a map data issue, but is a matter of steering force input.

Going straightish down the road BC will steer itself but seemlessly allows me to override BCs control and swerve, change lanes etc with relatively little force - I'm not "wrestling" control back. In these conditions, my overriding steering input force is less than what is required to hold a turn at speed.

I suspect either BC is unable to exert enough steering force to hold a curve at high speed, or it isn't capable of distinguishing between when it should exert that much force to hold a turn and when it should allow external input force (either driver input or road force) to override it.

Or I'm just imagining all this as I cruise up and down the higway at high speen pondering how the heck this all works....
If one looks at the coming improvements, one sees a feature called Predictive Speed Assist. It says:

Approaching a sharp curve? Ford BlueCruise 1.2 can automatically and smoothly adjust your vehicle's speed.

That should answer your question.

If it doesn't, think. When you're doing 75 and there's a sharp curve ahead, what do most people do? They come off the accelerator because they don't want to go too fast on the curve. Bingo.
 

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If it were for 21's I would think they would have said so. I guess we can still hope, but it doesn't seem likely.
 

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If it were for 21's I would think they would have said so. I guess we can still hope, but it doesn't seem likely.
They did say so, in April 2021. 2021s and 2022s will get this update, probably in the first half of 2023, IMO.

 

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Yes. April 14, 2021.

Future enhancements are planned to include Lane Change Assist that will let the vehicle change lanes with just a tap of the turn signal indicator, and Predictive Speed Assist that will adjust vehicle speed for road curves, roundabouts and more.

https://media.ford.com/content/ford...road-trips-bluecruise-hands-free-driving.html

And to those that say "it doesn't explicitly say it will work on 2021s and 2022s, give it a rest.
I agree. If you take the whole section together it does say 2021's.

More highways and features to come

Beyond the 2021 F-150 and 2021 Mustang Mach-E, additional Ford vehicles will also receive BlueCruise hands-free driving technology, while current owners continue to receive over-the-air software updates to add new features and capabilities in the coming years.

Future enhancements are planned to include Lane Change Assist that will let the vehicle change lanes with just a tap of the turn signal indicator, and Predictive Speed Assist that will adjust vehicle speed for road curves, roundabouts and more.

Ford also plans to offer regular mapping updates for the technology to recognize changes plus thousands of miles of planned new road additions.
 

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I agree. If you take the whole section together it does say 2021's.

More highways and features to come

Beyond the 2021 F-150 and 2021 Mustang Mach-E, additional Ford vehicles will also receive BlueCruise hands-free driving technology, while current owners continue to receive over-the-air software updates to add new features and capabilities in the coming years.

Future enhancements are planned to include Lane Change Assist that will let the vehicle change lanes with just a tap of the turn signal indicator, and Predictive Speed Assist that will adjust vehicle speed for road curves, roundabouts and more.

Ford also plans to offer regular mapping updates for the technology to recognize changes plus thousands of miles of planned new road additions.
Since it was announced in April 2021, when 2022s didn't even exist yet, and it was announcing the feature, it was very clear to everyone that they meant the listed features would be retroactively installed.

And, I believe you can find Farley and Palmer discussing these features.
 

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They did say so, in April 2021. 2021s and 2022s will get this update, probably in the first half of 2023, IMO.
Available on select 2023 Ford vehicles, Ford BlueCruise 1.2 gives you all the current features — and a few new ones.

pretty clear to me.
 

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Available on select 2023 Ford vehicles, Ford BlueCruise 1.2 gives you all the current features — and a few new ones.

pretty clear to me.
Given that in April 2021 they announced BC and explained it would have future features, and not even 2022s existed yet, it's very clear most people that it will eventually flow to the 2022s and 2021s. If you think it's clear to you that it's only ever going to be on 2023s, that's great. Have a good one.
 
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Yes. April 14, 2021.

Future enhancements are planned to include Lane Change Assist that will let the vehicle change lanes with just a tap of the turn signal indicator, and Predictive Speed Assist that will adjust vehicle speed for road curves, roundabouts and more.

https://media.ford.com/content/ford...road-trips-bluecruise-hands-free-driving.html

And to those that say "it doesn't explicitly say it will work on 2021s and 2022s, give it a rest.
This link is pretty thorough and explains a lot. Interesting enough they mention an upgrade for software and hardware. Or you can basically add it on a car that wasn’t equipped or your car purchases today can receive updates and enhanced hardware to take advantage of major BC releases in the future. Sounds like they thought ahead.
 
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BlueCruise subscription could just mean map updates for us without 2023 and if that's the case I will be selling.

They cannot mock Tesla and leave old models behind like this if they want to have a chance.
 

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This link is pretty thorough and explains a lot. Interesting enough they mention an upgrade for software and hardware. Or you can basically add it on a car that wasn’t equipped or your car purchases today can receive updates and enhanced hardware to take advantage of major BC releases in the future. Sounds like they thought ahead.
You can't add hardware. Some vehicles were sold with a "prep package", but that was hardware, but no software.
 

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Wow finally! Six months later than promised, I thought they scrapped it! BTW the BlueZone map data is provided by HERE. Hopefully Ford pulls an update from them to improve coverage with time.

All the major interstates seem to have very complete coverage but the lesser highways have all kinds of dropouts on the turns. This pattern of cutting in-and-out mid turn has to be just poor quality map data or data processing issue rather than just the radius of the turns:

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Not sure if you are suggesting this, but I am not aware of any evidence that the highway mapping serves any purpose for BC v1.0 other than geofencing the spots where hands-free is available. Ford has had about a billion opportunities to disprove this, but they are remaining conspicuously silent on the issue.

It seems implausible to say the least that the lane centering functionality necessary for hands-free would ever rely upon highway map data for something so important. Too imprecise, too subject to change. The LC functionality is likely provided exclusively by the MobileEye camera tech.

By contrast, BlueCruise v1.2 will likely rely upon the highway mapping for the new Predictive Speed Assist feature.

But BC's current spottiness at certain curves is likely Ford being overly cautious about MobileEye capability - not an actual lack of any "map data."
 
 




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