Per Study, ICE fueling costs fall below price of EV charging

[GreaseMonkey]

Did they compare to fuel prices in CA?

California electricity prices and Texas fuel prices .

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[Benny’66]

Stating that 35 cents/kWh must mean DCFC is just not true. In MA, National Grid is the largest residential electricity supplier. Their current rate is 48 cents.

This can’t be right. I’m in NY with National Grid and my delivered electricity use rate is only $0.077. Delivery charge is another $0.07181. That is highway robbery in MA. Are you including the Basic Service charge in your math?

 

[fmtexmme]

Here is an earlier study on the ICE vs. EV fueling costs from the same group. They are also including the cost of the EVSE in the cost of fueling. It say how they normalize the EVSE cost, but you can see in the charts it constitutes a significant amount of the cost, approximately 50% of the cost of the energy.

https://www.andersoneconomicgroup.c...l-world-cost-of-fueling-evs-and-ice-vehicles/

 

[Auto Motive]

I was going to place (probably flawed) in front of Study in the title of this thread. But the Anderson Economic Group has determined the average cost to charge an EV, AT HOME, in order to drive 100 miles is $11.60 compared to $11.29 for gasoline for an ICE vehicle.
ICE fueling costs fall below price of EV charging in the midrange segment, study says
I don’t know about the rest of you, but my mi/kWh average over the last 5,000 miles was 3.1 which would make my charging at home cost $3.83. Adding in the expense of my 4+ year old L2 which I’ve used for ~ 50k EV miles still only adds $0.20 to the above.
Does anyone on this forum pay $11.60 in electric and related costs to go 100 miles?!?

I live in Western Pa rates for elect.. 10 kw includes all extras so charging at home is very inexpensive. Joe Manchin probably wrote that article. Ha ha. He is really trying hard to stop ev tax credits.

 

[Logal727]

I really hate when people act like the only reason to own an EV is fuel costs

 

[21st Century Pony]

yes, it's downhill BOTH WAYS!

...it's all downhill after high school.

 

[awp0]

This can’t be right. I’m in NY with National Grid and my delivered electricity use rate is only $0.077. Delivery charge is another $0.07181. That is highway robbery in MA. Are you including the Basic Service charge in your math?

It is 100% right. I'm guessing you guys in NY didn't receive a 64% rate increase on November 1st, like MA did. But it is indeed true. To be precise:

Supply rate: 33891

Delivery fees breakdown as follows. The Customer Charge is fixed, but all other fees are rates based on the kWh used.

Customer Charge $7 fixed
Dist Charge .07217
Transition Charge -0.00085
Transmission Charge 0.03902
Energy Efficiency Chg 0.02198
Renewable Energy Chg 0.0005
Distributed Solar Charge 0.00396
Electric Vehicle Charge 0.00064

Do the math and you're just shy of 14 cents per kWh in delivery fees (excluding fixed customer charge) and just shy of 34 cents per kWh for supply. Grand total is .477/kWh plus $7.

 

[RedOctobrrr]

No. It's probably a mix of 1/3 highway (60-65 mph), 2/3 city driving. Oh, I also don't drive 80 MPH like some of you crazies on this board

Oh, to blow your mind even more? I'm actually closer to 4.4 mi/kWh. I just use a round number to make math easier.

I think you're getting out and pushing the car for a few miles to boost your numbers.

 

[Jimrpa]

That's crazy. No reason for power to cost over 20 cents in the US. We have centuries of energy available to us.

And if they’d let us reprocess spent nuclear fuel rods, we’d have even more

 

[Jimrpa]

Exactly. The closest comparable vehicle to a MME Premium AWD from size and performance perspective is Porsche Macan S. It is rated 17 city/ 23 highway or ~20 combined and requires premium gas. Cost for 100 miles is around $22.

I would say an Escape is a closer comparison. There’s no way I’d ever darken the doorway of a Porsche dealership, and they’d probably have their security guards give me the bum’s rush out if I ever tried. The only time I ever was in a Porsche was when Delta gave me a ride between terminals in Atlanta one time.

 

[Kalaua_Farms]

I live on Oahu. I average 4.4 mi/kWh and energy costs $.325 for residential rate. That puts my cost for 100 miles at $8.78. But because we over-produce with our PV system, and are on net metering, it is essentially free (or already paid for by our investment). And we didn’t get 2 EVs because of fuel costs…we got them to reduce our consumption of fossil fuel in whatever way we could. It helps that it is a small island.

 

[HutchRed]

We use ours as a commuter car for my wife. Anything else we take my truck.

She drives 83 miles a day. I need to redo the match but it was somthing like $9 a day in gas she was saving by making the swap from her "14 Edge

 

[narmstrong79]

I made a video and shared a spreadsheet in the description on this exact topic. It depends on your use case.

 

[kennethjk]

I would say an Escape is a closer comparison. There’s no way I’d ever darken the doorway of a Porsche dealership, and they’d probably have their security guards give me the bum’s rush out if I ever tried. The only time I ever was in a Porsche was when Delta gave me a ride between terminals in Atlanta one time.

I have driven an escape and traded In a Macan S for the MME.
the MME is much closer to the Macan In every way except the sound of acceleration and handling but I don’t have the GTPE.

as an FYI, The Porsche dealership would surely let you in as they care about 1 thing, do you have the money?

Have you seen how people dress nowadays (Me included). show up with the dough and you are good to go.

 

[Blue highway]

Are we talking the TOTAL cost of kwh delivered to your home? Because our electric bill is broken up into 13 cents/kwh for electric supply, and another 13 cents/kwh for the delivery. One company supplies the electricity, and another company maintains the delivery infrastructure.

In the end, I'm paying 26 cents/kwh, so I'm curious of others are listing their total price, or just the supply cost.

30 cents/kwh in Alaska is beyond belief. Aren't you sitting on trillions of barrels of oil up there? Your energy costs should be the cheapest in the nation.

fuel and generation costs are ~half of everyones electric bill. The other half is transmission and distribution...

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