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Tesla will jump through hoops to make sure buyers get the federal tax credit. Ford probably won't.

As somebody who bought a Tesla in 2018 when their tax credit was about to expire (because Tesla had sold 200,000 vehicles in the US), I saw how tuned-in Tesla was to the tax credit situation. They still are. Tesla gets it.

As somebody who placed a Day One reservation for an F-150 Lightning and spent over a year being excited to get my truck, I watched Ford's tone deaf handling of the tax credit. The US government set a cap of $80k for trucks, and yet, Ford stubbornly refused to adjust the cheapest ER Lightning's price below $81k (and wouldn't let reservation holders order the $81k ER XLT anyway). Ford built my truck in November but was completely uncooperative about delivering it before January 1, 2023 when the $80k cap kicked in -- even though I was willing to travel to Michigan or title it in another state to ensure 2022 delivery. Ford didn't care.

We really like our AWD Premium Mach-E, now with over 30k miles: great car. I would gladly get another one for the same price. However, there is a limited window of tax eligibility before the new battery mineral rules come out in March. Ford apparently lacks the motivation and logistics expertise to deliver a lot of under-$55k vehicles within this window. Tesla looks like a better bet.

As for the Select AWD, that would be tempting as a second Mach-E, if I could find one -- a bit less fun than the Premium with its puddle lights and glass roof. For me, the big deal isn't those but the lack of a heated steering wheel and seats. With the smaller battery and no heat pump, winter driving range is a huge concern. The Nissan LEAF I had 10 years ago showed me what a difference in efficiency it made to turn on the heated steering wheel and turn down the heat. Ford still seems to think the heated steering wheel is a luxury item, revealing an ICE mindset.
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there are gonna be a lot of big mad people!
 

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I wonder if the private cash offer for those that got converted now applies to the new price or if they have now adjusted it accordingly.
 

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I agree. The ER battery is just a bit too expensive, knocking several models out the running for the tax credit.
They need to bring back the original configuration of Route 1 (ER RWD) under the $55k price cap. Reducing the AWD to $57k does nothing for the tax rebate, but taking out that second motor would get the cost right where it needs to be
 

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Still nothing about passing federal income tax credits to customers through Ford leases.

You know, to make "Mustang Mach-E even more accessible to customers and keep it competitive in the marketplace."
I don't understand the trepidation on this nuance. The price will reflect it one way or another.
 


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Totally, I've stated early in this thread that Ford simply can't compete on price for the ER batteries. I think all the < $55k options (Select, Premium with SR) are compelling options if you don't plan to road trip a lot.

Remember that Tesla has like 0 < $55k MYLR so it's not a tax credit for you neither if you can't buy it so when I looked, the difference is really $2k-$4k if you want a non-tax credit Mach-E Premium LR. GT is way out there though.
yeah but you can custom order a Model Y and they can get it to you before the IRS releases guidance.
 

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Agree about heated steering wheel and heated seats. They are all but mandatory for EV's in cold weather, and should be standard equipment on all tiers as a base model feature, from all brands.
 

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Considering I almost didn't buy the 23 Mach E because of the price increase... and couple it with the fact that I picked up Dec 16th.. I'm kind of pissed off.
 

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Help me understand.

I can now buy an MME Premium AWD for about $55k and qualify for the tax credit. That car has a standard range battery, which gets about 220 miles on a full charge.

A $55k MYLR costs about the same, qualifies for the tax credit, and the range is 330 miles.

Why would someone jump at the MME over the MYLR based on price?
 

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Wow the 2023 GT is cheaper than the 2022 now. It starts higher but glass roof and BlueCruise are standard. Our sticker was $66k, 2023 is now $64k. Luckily Ford screwed up our delivery and we got $2k off so we’re at the same price as a 23!
 

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Help me understand.

I can now buy an MME Premium AWD for about $55k and qualify for the tax credit. That car has a standard range battery, which gets about 220 miles on a full charge.

A $55k MYLR costs about the same, qualifies for the tax credit, and the range is 330 miles.

Why would someone jump at the MME over the MYLR based on price?
Depends on brand loyalty, looks, etc. Cars for many are emotional buys. Their identities are tied to it in some strange way. (kinda how only mustang people will buy a mustang and not a camaro/challenger, etc)
 

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Help me understand.

I can now buy an MME Premium AWD for about $55k and qualify for the tax credit. That car has a standard range battery, which gets about 220 miles on a full charge.

A $55k MYLR costs about the same, qualifies for the tax credit, and the range is 330 miles.

Why would someone jump at the MME over the MYLR based on price?
Yes, that is definitely an issue - and something Ford had a chance to address but didn't. They either need a RWD RT1 or the option to add an ER battery to the Select at just under $55k

Just remember the ACTAUL range of the MY is around 270 miles.
 

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Help me understand.

I can now buy an MME Premium AWD for about $55k and qualify for the tax credit. That car has a standard range battery, which gets about 220 miles on a full charge.

A $55k MYLR costs about the same, qualifies for the tax credit, and the range is 330 miles.

Why would someone jump at the MME over the MYLR based on price?
Tesla’s never hit their range marks, so that 330 is VERY optimistic, but yes, it will go further.
I like the styling and feel of the Mach-E over the Tesla. They’re a dime a dozen out here and are just meh. I see more MYs than I do Corolla’s now. Tech is neat but that’s about it.
 
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I don't understand the trepidation on this nuance. The price will reflect it one way or another.
Are you aware of a single Ford EV lease that has ever reduced lessee costs in recognition of the $7,500 federal income tax credit? Anywhere? Ever? In any way?

If you are, please do share the information. Many of us would be interested.
 

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I don't drive that much, but, when I do I like knowing that I won't have to stop to charge if I'm ever on a 270-300 mile roadtrip. Also the ER packs charge at the faster rate for a little bit, 150 instead of 115 once you did need to charge.
Well that’s what I mean, I suppose it depends on how often you roadtrip. If instead of an upfront cost for the ER battery, people got a ping from their car saying “It looks like you are going on a roadtrip, would you like to unlock some extra battery capacity and faster charging for $1,000?” people would go nuts, but if you are a once or twice a year roadtripper and plan to keep the car for a few years before getting something new, that’s what the ER upcharge amounts to.
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