Update on Mach-E launch progress from engineering friends in Mexico

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From my reading of this language, I would expect NJ to subtract out the Destination Charge from my $56,040 "Dealer Selling Price" when comparing to the $55,000 limit.

Ironically, I just completed the survey about the ordering process before I came here and saw this thread. In the comments, I suggested they keep "MSRP" out of the grand total line and have that only next to the subtotal just to avoid any confusion with regard to the NJ incentive "once NJ determines the Mach E is eligible based on the range."
Unfortunately, the language seems pretty clear (at least to me). NJ says the MSRP, as set by the manufacturer, must be below $55,000. When looking at the sample Windows sticker recently provided by trutolife27, the MSRP of EXACTLY what I ordered is $55,800

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Next week is going to be so busy. So plenty of news and videos I'm sure of for our thanksgiving week. Very thankful for the ford workers making the Mache. Hell of a job to not fall behind.

Have a statement for you. Elon Said he was shocked at how ford keeps up this year compared to all other auto manufacturers do to covid. They changed some of their supply design to follow Ford's pattern.
I guess even the world's 3rd richest person can still learn a few things from the OG. :cool:
 

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I found the gap between Nov 23 OKTB and Nov 28 to start shipping curious. I would have thought some would be heading out the 24th or 25th. It's only a few days, so no bigger, but with not much of 2020 left, every day matters for those that need a 2020 delivery. Dec 7 sounds a bit optimistic for the first batches to arrive, but maybe.

I gave up on getting my FE (and the $1500 extra tax credit) in 2020 as soon as they said my build week isn't until Jan 4. ?
My source thinks that all NA OKTB vehicles will be in transit by end of the week. I presume this mean some cars will begin shipping earlier in the week so your guess about Tuesday or Wednesday might be good.
 

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The divider is in the Mache right now going down the chassis line.

So whoever is happy we are still getting it great. If you don't like you can take it out. But more is better right? One day might need it.
Sure, except it means that all the electronic ways to open the frunk will be disabled, even if we remove the divider.
 


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Sure, except it means that all the electronic ways to open the frunk will be disabled, even if we remove the divider.
Or is it the other way around - that the divider prevents a human from getting inside (which is silly, but that seems to be the issue), thus including the divider allows them to give it full access?
 

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Or is it the other way around - that the divider prevents a human from getting inside (which is silly, but that seems to be the issue), thus including the divider allows them to give it full access?
No, unfortunately. According to the owners manual:
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Ford Mustang Mach-E Update on Mach-E launch progress from engineering friends in Mexico 1605819493192


We'll only be able to open it via the manual release inside the car. Lame.
 

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Or is it the other way around - that the divider prevents a human from getting inside (which is silly, but that seems to be the issue), thus including the divider allows them to give it full access?
Not according to the owners manual. If the car comes with the divider, electronic methods for opening the frunk are disabled.

My guess is that there's some safety regulation that's required to prevent the frunk from opening while driving and the electronic opening mechanisms don't currently meet that regulation, so they're disabled. The only reason they added the divider was that this also disabled the emergency release inside the frunk (which is also electronic) so they need to make sure a kid can't climb into there.
 

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No, unfortunately. According to the owners manual:
Ford Mustang Mach-E Update on Mach-E launch progress from engineering friends in Mexico 1605819493192

Ford Mustang Mach-E Update on Mach-E launch progress from engineering friends in Mexico 1605819493192


We'll only be able to open it via the manual release inside the car. Lame.
That sucks. Sounds counter-intuitive. But it's probably not really about the divider per se, but rather the regulations in that market. If that regulation exists to "protect people from themselves", it probably forces both restrictions (divider and disabled access). And where there's no regulation, neither is needed.

They just explain it that way because it's easier to tie it to the divider.
 

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to prevent the frunk from opening while driving
I'm sure that fail safe is built into the car either way (disabling frunk release while the car is in drive). Just to protect the car itself (can't have the hood opening while moving and getting blown into into the windshield, or blocking visability).
 

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it probably forces both restrictions (divider and disabled access).
Not directly. It's the disabling of the emergency release inside the frunk that is necessitating the divider. The reason they had to disable the emergency release (along with all other electronic release options) is still a mystery.
 

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Unfortunately, the language seems pretty clear (at least to me). NJ says the MSRP, as set by the manufacturer, must be below $55,000. When looking at the sample Windows sticker recently provided by trutolife27, the MSRP of EXACTLY what I ordered is $55,800

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This is the full language from
https://chargeup.njcleanenergy.com/...p_New_Jersey_Phase_1_Terms_and_Conditions.pdf:

"* The MSRP cap of $55,000 refers to the final MSRP of the vehicle, which is set by the manufacturer, and is intended to encompass the value of the vehicle itself, in full. The manufacturer’s MSRP typically includes the costs associated with the trim level of the vehicle with all color options, wheel upgrades, drive train or battery upgrades, and other packages, such as entertainment system upgrades. Costs not generally included in the MSRP are: destination or delivery charges, sales and use taxes, additional maintenance or repair packages purchased from the dealership or showroom, documentation fees, registration fees, or add-ons which relate to the maintenance or operation of the vehicle, such as electric vehicle charging packages, floor mats, first aid kits, cargo nets, etc. The Board reserves the right to seek all available legal remedies if manufacturers adopt separate MSRPs for New Jersey that differ from the MSRP associated with the same car in other states or otherwise attempt to circumvent the statutory language."

I guess the question is whether the program interprets MSRP be the number that has MSRP next to it on the window sticker or the number that fairly represents the value "intended to encompass the value of the vehicle itself, in full." They clearly exclude "destination or delivery charges" and even "floor mats, first aid kits, cargo nets, etc." in how the program defines "MSRP."

Is the definition of MSRP what they clearly spell out? Or that number at the bottom of the window sticker?

Perhaps I'm being overly optimistic, but I would expect them to calculate my MSRP as:

Base $47,000 + AWD & ER: $7,700 = $54,700
while excluding the $1,110 destination and the $240 Protection Package. But Infinite Blue? That's going to cost you $400 AND the $5000 incentive.

My interpretation is that they are spelling this out primarily to avoid situations where a manufacturer cuts the "MSRP" in a state like NJ and jacks up the "Destination Charge" specifically to get more cars under the cap.

ETA: This also ensures folks can't negotiate a discount with the dealer in exchange for agreeing to over-pay for Scotchguard or something to sneak under the limit.
 

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They clearly exclude "destination or delivery charges" and even "floor mats, first aid kits, cargo nets, etc." in how the program defines "MSRP."
No they do NOT clearly say that. The word "generally" would be removed if it was an absolute.
Instead of this:

Costs not generally included in the MSRP are: destination or delivery charges, sales and use taxes, additional maintenance or repair packages purchased from the dealership or showroom, documentation fees, registration fees, or add-ons which relate to the maintenance or operation of the vehicle, such as electric vehicle charging packages, floor mats, first aid kits, cargo nets, etc.

it would read:
Costs not included in the MSRP are: destination or delivery charges, sales and use taxes, additional maintenance or repair packages purchased from the dealership or showroom, documentation fees, registration fees, or add-ons which relate to the maintenance or operation of the vehicle, such as electric vehicle charging packages, floor mats, first aid kits, cargo nets, etc.
 

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THE numbers I saw were over 20,000 NA and 20,000 EURO and over 20,000 reservations for the GT.
How about 76% of orders are premium models.
that reads different than the slide which says 20,000 orders total, no?
 
 




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