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There are equipment changes in the 2023 but like I said before that doesn't mean that it's impossible to bring to the 2021/22. I know it was something that they were working on. I just don't think anyone should hold their breath because, as we know, they have been promising frunk release on some vehicles for over 2 years and there's still no end in sight. They also had over a 1 year delay (or something close to that) for BC 1.0 to those same people.
BC1.0 started pushing OTA at the end of March 2022. A little less than 6 months after the 2022s started rolling off the assembly line with it preinstalled. So it would be reasonable to expect that as the OTA process improves, BC1.2 would be available as soon or earlier. And yet.
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2023s have the same hardware as 21s and 22s, itā€™s just a matter of software.
Iā€™m curious if the 2022s that donā€™t have the side sensors active will get all the 1.2 features. It comes down to how is it sensing that big truck next to you? Is it using the side mounted parking sensors (that are not active in most 2022s), or is it using the side mounted radar sensors (that are active in 2022s).
 

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Iā€™m curious if the 2022s that donā€™t have the side sensors active will get all the 1.2 features. It comes down to how is it sensing that big truck next to you? Is it using the side mounted parking sensors (that are not active in most 2022s), or is it using the side mounted radar sensors (that are active in 2022s).
It uses the radar sensors. There is one at each corner of the vehicle. '21s and '22s have the front radar sensors below the headlights but they aren't really being used currently. BlueCruise 1.2 enables full use of these sensors we've had all along.

I think Ford always meant to have automatic lane changes on the Mach-E, but the software just took WAY longer than expected.
 

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It uses the radar sensors. There is one at each corner of the vehicle. '21s and '22s have the front radar sensors below the headlights but they aren't really being used currently. BlueCruise 1.2 enables full use of these sensors we've had all along.

I think Ford always meant to have automatic lane changes on the Mach-E, but the software just took WAY longer than expected.
Thatā€™s awesome! Who knew?
 

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I would get excited if they actually played "Connect the dots" on major highways in (western) Canada at some point. Right now, the coverage is so sparse it's hard to care much.

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Hereā€˜s a map of Supercruise in Western Canada. Compare the mapped roads to Blue Cruise.

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Well I watched both videos by Kyle and Patrick. Here are my impressions:
  • No more ping-ponging! - Massive improvement in lane stability is apparent watching the lines touch hood. It could now be described as "rock steady" instead of "drunk teenager". Constantly fighting poor lane position is my biggest gripe with the current software.
  • It scootches! - You can see it actually moves over 6" for large trucks and also cars drifting out of their lane. The animation in the cluster slides over to show this is happening as well. It even moves over when the large vehicle is coming from the rear. No more sideswiping semis!
  • Automatic lane changes - It will steer the car into the desired lane when you tap the turn signal. Cluster animations show the change path and if it was canceled due to a car in the way. Lane changes seem very safe and occur at an appropriate speed. If there are cars in your blind spot or coming up fast, it won't go. No more having wait for BlueCruise to reengage after changing lanes.
  • Slows down for curves - Appears to use GPS data to predict sharp curves coming up, and slows down as required. A curved arrow shows up below the speed limit sign to indicate it's slowing down for a curve.
  • Slows down early for speed zones - Appears to slow down ahead of a reduced speed limit zone so you are going the correct speed when entering the zone. Current software doesn't slow down until after passing the sign which can cause speeding tickets.
Overall appears to be a completely transformative improvement to the software. No more scaring your passengers while on BlueCruise. I can't wait to get the updates, but I'm disappointed with how long it takes for us to get software that was likely finished 6 months ago. Latest guess seems to be Q2/Q3 of this year.

Here are my gripes:
  • Hands-free still disengages frequently - Doesn't appear to be any improvement there, dropouts still seem somewhat arbitrary. Needs to be less conservative, it can do most of the dropout curves without any help.
  • Slows down too much for curves - This could induce some road rage from other drivers behind you if the car slows down too much on a curve. There should be an aggressiveness adjustment for this feature rather than only on/off. Seems too conservative right now.
  • No flashers or 911 for incapacitated driver - If you pass out, the car will slow to 5 mph on the freeway and will not engage flashers. I really think they need to add flashers so you don't get rear-ended and killed if this happens. I would also like to see 911 Assist activated within a minute of entering 5 mph mode if you still haven't taken over.
  • Poor map data - Ford uses HERE map data that is often highly inaccurate (zoom way in and click on the speed limit button to check your area). 95% of the roads in my county have incorrect speed limits in the map data, so the car speeds up and slows down at random unexpected places. There is no way all this is going to get fixed by humans. Ford needs to adopt crowdsourced map data to automatically fix all the mistakes.
  • No increase in Hands-free Blue Zone coverage - There doesn't appear to be any increased coverage after 1.5 years. Still only works on protected access roads. I would like to see coverage increased to rival GM Super Cruise:
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  • Slows down early for speed zones - Appears to slow down ahead of a reduced speed limit zone so you are going the correct speed when entering the zone. Current software doesn't slow down until after passing the sign which can cause speeding tickets.
You've asked me about this before, and in my experience this is not the case. I rewatched some of Kyle's video to see if I could spot it, and I found a spot where it behaves the same as BC 1.0. From 20:03 to about 20:10, you can see that his set speed is 65 when he is coming up on a Speed Limit 55 sign. His speed does not start to reduce until after passing the 55 sign, and you can see the set speed on the cluster only changes from 65 to 55 in the moment he passes the 55 sign. That matches my experience with both BC 1.0 and BC 1.2.

Is there another part of the video where you can see it slow down early?

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I think I found the section you were referring to, starting at about 29:20. It's not a curve so it's not reducing the speed due to that, but it is reducing the speed before the speed limit sign and before the set speed changes. It also does not appear to be due to the car ahead of them reducing speed (e.g. not because of adaptive cruise reducing speed to maintain following distance). I had not seen that behavior before, but admittedly I didn't exhaustively test it myself because I only briefly enabled that feature. I normally have it off due to speed limit sign weirdness here that confuses the system.

Very interesting, though it seems to not be consistent as it had different behavior in different sections of the road. Even if I could enable it, I'm not sure I would rely on that feature.

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I suspect the difference is due to speed limit data existing or not existing in the navigation map data. Meaning maybe it slows down early if it knows a speed limit change is coming from the map data, but if the speed limit changes due to a new or temporary speed limit sign, it's not aware until the camera system detects and processes the change and thus does not slow down early.
 
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So BC 1.0 was not activated for European cars, I doubt it will be for 1.2.
I would love the lane change feature, but this isn't happening for me :(
 

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You've asked me about this before, and in my experience this is not the case. I rewatched some of Kyle's video to see if I could spot it, and I found a spot where it behaves the same as BC 1.0. From 20:03 to about 20:10, you can see that his set speed is 65 when he is coming up on a Speed Limit 55 sign. His speed does not start to reduce until after passing the 55 sign, and you can see the set speed on the cluster only changes from 65 to 55 in the moment he passes the 55 sign. That matches my experience with both BC 1.0 and BC 1.2.

Is there another part of the video where you can see it slow down early?

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I think I found the section you were referring to, starting at about 29:20. It's not a curve so it's not reducing the speed due to that, but it is reducing the speed before the speed limit sign and before the set speed changes. It also does not appear to be due to the car ahead of them reducing speed (e.g. not because of adaptive cruise reducing speed to maintain following distance). I had not seen that behavior before, but admittedly I didn't exhaustively test it myself because I only briefly enabled that feature. I normally have it off due to speed limit sign weirdness here that confuses the system.

Very interesting, though it seems to not be consistent as it had different behavior in different sections of the road. Even if I could enable it, I'm not sure I would rely on that feature.

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I suspect the difference is due to speed limit data existing or not existing in the navigation map data. Meaning maybe it slows down early if it knows a speed limit change is coming from the map data, but if the speed limit changes due to a new or temporary speed limit sign, it's not aware until the camera system detects and processes the change and thus does not slow down early.
Thanks for your input. Yeah it could possibly be a difference with map data being used predictively. But regardless, I think it could be improved more so it doesnā€™t bust speed limits as much. NHTSA just yelled at Tesla for not slowing down in speed zones fast enough with FSD so hopefully Ford looks at it too.
 

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Not sure I like the possible slow down for curves. Sounds like it could introduce phantom braking. Which I havn't had the pleasure of yet and would like to keep it that way.
 

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Not sure I like the possible slow down for curves. Sounds like it could introduce phantom braking. Which I havn't had the pleasure of yet and would like to keep it that way.
Yeah, I mean, I know the speed limit database is probably more complicated than identifying curves, but being that that has outdated information, it makes me apprehensive. I don't use speed limit assist and therefore won't see the curve slow down in action. Thankfully, no where on my commute does BC disengage (aside from the toll booth).
 

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Seems like Out of Specā€™s conclusion is that BC 1.2 is the best drivers assist system out there when it comes to actual driving but falls short on the deadman test for incapacitated drivers. A couple of tweaks that throw in full stop and hazard lights would fix that score?
Hazard flashers seem like a good idea, but are you sure full stop would be better? Seems possible to me that 5mph could be safer in some situations (e.g. if it makes the vehicle more likely to be spotted and avoided by other fast-moving cars.) I imagine Ford must have a reason for doing it that way, and I'd love to know what it is.

Is it using the side mounted parking sensors (that are not active in most 2022s)
Can you elaborate on this? Why would the side mounted parking sensors not be active in most 2022s?
 

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This is all great news. Canā€™t help thinking how much better it would be if we had a HUD with appropriate BC symbology telling us what the car was doing. A HUD is one of the biggest things that I miss from my last car (BMW).
 

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Can you elaborate on this? Why would the side mounted parking sensors not be active in most 2022s?
Due to the chip shortage. Early 2022s were not impacted, but past March or april of 2022 ford started shipping Mach-Es with the side parking sensors not active and gave people a discount and a promise to make the car whole at some point in the future. So far that last part hasnā€™t happened. So most 2022s still remain incomplete.
 

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Due to the chip shortage. Early 2022s were not impacted, but past March or april of 2022 ford started shipping Mach-Es with the side parking sensors not active and gave people a discount and a promise to make the car whole at some point in the future. So far that last part hasnā€™t happened. So most 2022s still remain incomplete.
The only thing missing is the module that control the self parking feature. The sensors are active and can be used by other systems without issue. It's the parking computer that is missing. (The module that would calculate the movement and shows the UI in sync, then relays that data to the other modules to perform it.) Hence why blind spot detection still works just fine ect.

For speed limit, pretty sure it the cameras that are reading the speed limit signs themselves to set speed, not the map data solely. The manual states:

"Speed sign recognition uses a sensor behind the interior mirror to detect speed signs.

If your vehicle has speed sign recognition with navigation, stored speed sign data may influence the indicated speed limit value."

Hence the random miss reads that can cause deceleration on the highways. I suspect that they moved up the timing on when the sign is read then applied. and uses the data as a 2nd confirmation or backup.
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