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Not necessarily, they may have a specific reason for LR (a frequent trip just out of range of SR). In that case Range is important but they may not place as much weight on that as other factors (hence AWD instead of RWD--if they really wanted range they would have gone with the RWD).
True, but it does speak to the importance of range, even for those that suggest it's not that important.

It's not the SOLE important factor as that C/D line might be interpreted, but it's way up there for the vast majority. But it's also way up there because of ~half hour refueling times and weak charger coverage. As #2 and #3 improve, #1 becomes (somewhat) less important.
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I think this is the real reason the Mach E has a chance to really make a dent in the marketplace. The Kona, Bolt, etc may be cheaper but having to stop for 45 minutes to an hour every 150 miles it's just too much of a compromise. With the ER RWD battery on a long road trip you can take a 30-40 minute stop at lunch and dinner with a couple of 15-20 minute stops in the afternoon. If your hotel has an L2 you charge overnight, or if not you'll have to do 30-40 minutes once you get to your hotel as well - which can then be done while eating breakfast. For example in this plan there is an L2 at the hotel in Richmond, but if it isn't available there's a diner right next to the Walmart. Lunch will be in Henderson and dinner in Greenville. Also note that the Mrs and I are night owls, so we plan to leave later in the morning to avoid rush hour traffic and the first leg to Richmond will start after 7PM for that reason:

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Agree that charging times are much faster than they used to be. That will open up more of the mainstream market (like, from 2% to 20% or something). It just needs to get a lot better than that to reach deep into the market IMO.
 

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Does the Mach E provide a dash readout of the HVB temperature or will someone have to find a third party hardware to do so.
 


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And so Nissan removed that option/feature...
 
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Not necessarily, they may have a specific reason for LR (a frequent trip just out of range of SR). In that case Range is important but they may not place as much weight on that as other factors (hence AWD instead of RWD--if they really wanted range they would have gone with the RWD).
You are right about other reasons for my choice, Jamie. I picked the Ca Rt 1, which I expect to be the longest range in the stable. However, the range is not for me. I am quite happy with my 258 mile Kona. One of my larger goals with the Mach-E is to show friends and families what is possible with zero emission vehicles: Beautiful, fun to drive, luxurious with lots of gadgets, and they all invariably ask, "what is the range?", probably because they read C/D and other non-expert EV writers. When I answer that question with "over 300 miles", their eyes widen and their interest increases. Base hit! I actually have a couple of friends seriously looking at the ID4 (one is from the "Not a Mustang" crowd, so will not "commit treason" with the MME), Kona, Niro, and others. I know they are serious because they are asking smart questions besides range. Hoping for a Home Run soon. I know from nearly 20 years of personal experience that the automotive writers as a group have been letting their readers down, particularly Consumer Reports. I have had to refute countless careless and misleading articles over the years. I remember one study done in 2008 by a Prius fanatic - he had read over 500 articles about the Prius and found NOT ONE that was completely accurate. Very sad. If those same writers would surf the relevant forums, they might learn a lot.

I am now semi-retired and plan to spend some time educating sales people, and offering to hold clinics at Dealerships. Just me buying EV and having solar and Tesla Batteries at my house is not enough to save the world. I must leverage what I can. If I can motivate 20 people to join the EV world (I motivated about 20 people in 2005/2006 to buy a Prius!) and they in turn can motivate more people, etc., then "slowing the rise" might be achievable. Despite the automotive writers! In a couple of decades I want to be able look my daughter in the eye and be able to say, "I did what I could do to leave you a world you can live in." Yes, she drives an 8 year old Prius. We have been a hybrid/EV household for over 15 years. Well, this rant is long enough. I really enjoy most of the posts of this group!!
 

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Mach-E owner's manual says 90% daily. Not discussed here but discussed in the owner's manual thread.
I think that part should be worded better. It makes it seem like there is something about charging to 90% which improves the longevity.
 
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The link I posted is for fuel/energy efficiency. Range isnt discussed nor even relevant there. The metric is how far can a vehicle travel on a gallon of energy. In other words, how efficient is it?
Because the efficiency number is from the wall not the battery, it is measuring the efficiency of the charger as well as the efficiency of the vehicle. Two vehicles which can both go X miles from Y kWh in the battery could, and likely would, have different MPGe numbers because their charging efficiency would be different.

The range number measures how far the vehicle can go with a fully charged battery. This is what most people are concerned with. Would be nice if they just published separate ranges for City and Highway. Those numbers can be derived/approximated but many/most aren't capable of or interested in doing that.
 

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Truer words were never written. LOL Range is not that big of a deal, though having said that I got the extended battery like you. But more walking the walk I went with AWD because ... my wife told me to. (Absolutely true).

I'm way more excited about the 150 kW charging. Faster charging enables longer trips. More range not so much.
And even more so: the charging curve. A flat charging curve like VW is showing on the ID.4 and Audi would be awesome!
 

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Interesting!

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"Your vehicle needs confirmation it is unplugged before allowing a start. You must make sure your vehicle is unplugged and you respond to the message prompt before starting the vehicle." WTH???? I sure as hell hope this is an error. The car doesn't know whether or not it is plugged in? So if the driver mistakenly thinks the car is unplugged and you respond to the message prompt in error you can drive off with the charging cord still attached? Not good at all. Not to mention annoying as hell having to respond to a message before you can drive... Please someone tell me this is a mistake.
 

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"Your vehicle needs confirmation it is unplugged before allowing a start. You must make sure your vehicle is unplugged and you respond to the message prompt before starting the vehicle." WTH???? I sure as hell hope this is an error. The car doesn't know whether or not it is plugged in? So if the driver mistakenly thinks the car is unplugged and you respond to the message prompt in error you can drive off with the charging cord still attached? Not good at all. Not to mention annoying as hell having to respond to a message before you can drive... Please someone tell me this is a mistake.
It is possible that "confirmation it isn't plugged in" doesn't come from the user tapping the screen but a module inside the car detecting the presence of the plug.

No reason to think otherwise as Ford's other plugins know when they are plugged in or not.
 

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If you believed what you claim, you would have ordered a SR.
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This brings up an important point which people are missing so I'm going to respond. The fact is that I did EXACTLY what I should have done if I believed my claim. Going with SR reduces the charging rate from 150 kW to 115 kW. If charging rate is the important factor, you want to avoid SR, not necessarily because of range but because of the charging rate. The real test, which wasn't on the table, would be if SR charged at 300 kW and the ER at 150 kW. Not realistic of course but that would be the test.

From your comment I'm concluding that you haven't recognized that the SR reduces the charging rate or haven't realized the importance of charging rates. Or both I guess.

But apart from that, it's also possible that some people might want TO GO FASTER! ? ? ? ? In which case that person might want to get the AWD EB. Not saying this played any role in my decision of course.
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