Mach-E EPA Ratings Revealed in Window Sticker!

[ZSR]

Now can we stop calling it an SUV? It's a "small station wagon."

Well it is/looks Sporty, it’s also a Vehicle. The question is it Utiity enough? I read it should tow, why??I hate those hooks that damage other people’s cars. If you want tow, get a truck.
As utility it can be 4 wheel drive! Takes 5 people. So why not call it a SUV? Volvo v50/60/90, Audi A4, Saab 9-3 combi... those are stationwagons i would say.

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[1pt21Gigawatts]

Where are these numbers coming from?

They’re coming from someone named ron. Obvsly.

 

[RonTCat]

"Your vehicle needs confirmation it is unplugged before allowing a start. You must make sure your vehicle is unplugged and you respond to the message prompt before starting the vehicle." WTH???? I sure as hell hope this is an error. The car doesn't know whether or not it is plugged in? So if the driver mistakenly thinks the car is unplugged and you respond to the message prompt in error you can drive off with the charging cord still attached? Not good at all. Not to mention annoying as hell having to respond to a message before you can drive... Please someone tell me this is a mistake.

It's like a warning at the gas station to remove the filler hose before you drive off.

It's for owners like me, who try to drive away with the charge cord in, and wonder why the vehicle won't "go". It's politely saying "hey, you might want to unplug your car first".

 

[timbop]

You are right about other reasons for my choice, Jamie. I picked the Ca Rt 1, which I expect to be the longest range in the stable. However, the range is not for me.

I too chose ER RWD for the range, although I went CA RT1 instead of Premium to keep the cost under the threshold I promised the Mrs. The added range is a little bit for me since I have a 100 mile daily commute and I was a little bit worried about winter range loss, but like you I also did it to evangelize for BEVs. My wife is skeptical, and being able to use my MME for medium distance trips without recharging will hopefully change her mind. We're also going to do a 1500 mile trip next fall that hopefully will make a positive impression, too. I'm also hoping to convert some of my coworkers and friends with long commutes as well.

 

[RonTCat]

Where are these numbers coming from?

Combined 97
Range 300

 

[SnBGC]

Because the efficiency number is from the wall not the battery, it is measuring the efficiency of the charger as well as the efficiency of the vehicle. Two vehicles which can both go X miles from Y kWh in the battery could, and likely would, have different MPGe numbers because their charging efficiency would be different.

Good point. And it shows that you have a good understanding on the MPGe rating. Better than my understanding because until recently, I didn't realize that MPGe factored charging losses. Even so.....it still doesn't change anything.

I previously stated that Tesla is the efficiency leader and someone asked for proof. The proof is that Tesla has the highest MPGe according to the federal agency that measures that stuff. Since the charger is part of the vehicle....the MPGe figures are valid. That measures vehicle efficiency. Even if you remove charger losses because you think that will make a difference......it doesn't. The standings on this list would remain the same.

The range number measures how far the vehicle can go with a fully charged battery. This is what most people are concerned with. Would be nice if they just published separate ranges for City and Highway. Those numbers can be derived/approximated but many/most aren't capable of or interested in doing that.

Agreed. The MPGe is posted for City/Highway so it's pretty easy to figure out City range and Highway range but it would be helpful if those numbers were listed on the sticker.

I can do it here for those that are interested....
Based on the window sticker posted at the start of this thread: City Range is 288 miles. Highway range is 252. Vehicle appears to be AWD Extended range model.

My expectation for real world range based on my driving habits/usage is 290 miles city and 245 highway. It's just an expectation based on what I know so far to date. I really won't know until I get my car and can put some miles on it.

 

[Mach-E VLOG]

From Ford:

 

[DBC]

True, but it does speak to the importance of range, even for those that suggest it's not that important.

AFAIK no one has ever said range wasn't that important. A more accurate statement would be that, once you have enough range to travel between DC chargers, range is irrelevant. In fact all it does is increase the cost and mass of the vehicle.

On the other hand, the charging rate is very important since the time needed for a trip is set by the charging rate. If you have a vehicle with 2X the range and I have one with 2X the charging rate, I'm getting to the destination with a full battery and ready to roll on before you do.

 

[1pt21Gigawatts]

Where are these numbers coming from?

City 104
Highway 90
35 kWh

255mi Highway, 315mi city, in summer presumably. Sounds about right, if not a little skinny on Highway compared to the y tests of ~265.

 

[Nak]

I know from nearly 20 years of personal experience that the automotive writers as a group have been letting their readers down, particularly Consumer Reports. I have had to refute countless careless and misleading articles over the years. I remember one study done in 2008 by a Prius fanatic - he had read over 500 articles about the Prius and found NOT ONE that was completely accurate. Very sad.

You've hit the nail on the head. Magazines give favorable coverage for a variety of reasons, most of which are revenue related. Even Consumer Reports, which brags about not taking advertising, accepts "contributions." It's very hard for me to believe that those "contributions" don't affect favored coverage. I remember when Consumer Reports first gave the Model 3 an unfavorable review for "Reliability." Buried in the report, one of the big factors was the number of "transmission failures." I found that really interesting, given that the Model 3 has no transmission.

I'll reiterate that we don't have to rely on suspect sources. Let's do our own comparison. There has to be somebody getting a Mach-e in the Portland area. Let's set up a real comparison between an E and a Y. Ideally, we'd do two tests, one winter one summer. We could agree on the test conditions here on the forum, so that everyone could have input on how to make the test fair and real world applicable.

 

[ZSR]

May I remind everyone that Ford has hit the range and efficiency for the ER AWD just as they said they would. The model Y was showing better efficiency before and it is still better now. Be happy that Ford hit the mark they set and if that isn't good enough there are other choices for you including the model Y. Just stop complaining when the results are what they said they would be. Actual results are going to depend on how you drive the car.

Are the models we are comparing with also in the same price ranges?

 

[Nak]

It is possible that "confirmation it isn't plugged in" doesn't come from the user tapping the screen but a module inside the car detecting the presence of the plug.

No reason to think otherwise as Ford's other plugins know when they are plugged in or not.

"You must make sure your vehicle is unplugged and you respond to the message prompt before starting the vehicle." I hope you're right, because the owner's manual says it's up to the driver.

It's like a warning at the gas station to remove the filler hose before you drive off.

It's for owners like me, who try to drive away with the charge cord in, and wonder why the vehicle won't "go". It's politely saying "hey, you might want to unplug your car first".

I'd get that if there was a warning that you were plugged in and the car simply wouldn't drive. The Owner's Manual is implying rather strongly that if you tap the "Unplugged" response you could then drive away. I hope the manual is in error. The only response from the driver should be getting out and unplugging the car.

 

[ZSR]

2 inches wider also at 74"! I really liked my CMAX, but it always felt a little on the small side, dinfitely a compact car. When I sat in the Mach E, it felt much bigger than just a couple of inches!!

But boy that one is fuckly, if I bought that home my daughters would kill me.

 

[SnBGC]

"Your vehicle needs confirmation it is unplugged before allowing a start. You must make sure your vehicle is unplugged and you respond to the message prompt before starting the vehicle." WTH???? I sure as hell hope this is an error. The car doesn't know whether or not it is plugged in? So if the driver mistakenly thinks the car is unplugged and you respond to the message prompt in error you can drive off with the charging cord still attached? Not good at all. Not to mention annoying as hell having to respond to a message before you can drive... Please someone tell me this is a mistake.

I think this means that if you attempt to turn the car on while plugged in then it will give you a message to which you have to accept (press OK). Then it will turn on but you won't be allowed to move the vehicle because it's still plugged in.

At least that is how my current Ford BEV functions. ??

I agree the text is worded a bit strange though....

 

[rplinpa]

I wish! I have an FE with 12-13-20 build week, so no sticker yet.

Mine is that week as well with a 12/16 build date. Getting excited!

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