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Anyone buying a first-year model knows there are some kinks that get ironed out over time.
Yep. Best just to wait for a 2022 if that's a serious problem for a buyer.
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Hmm, I'm not sure buying expensive upgrades through the phone app is a good idea. If someone's kids play with the parent's phone, that is very risky. There is no authentication before the purchases. There was a big deal about butt-dialed $4k+ upgrades because the Tesla apps come up with the prompt to upgrade with the upgrade auto-selected.

Getting the refund was a very different story. Not as smooth at all. There is no downgrade or refund in the app. People had to call service and had a hard time reaching anyone and to get their refunds. Sounds more like a scam than a benefit for the customer. Perhaps TFL should do a comparison of the service experience next :) How soon do you hear a live human when you call for service or help? That's one area where I've learnt tesla is much much worse than any other due to excessive cost-cutting and headcount reduction. I'll care more about that than some geeky apps.

Here is the article on it. I've had such apps for newer cars. Never used them after initial couple of times to fiddle with them. . I find it much easier and faster to just use the key. I think other than the geeky types, most people could care less about these apps.
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"Tesla Owners Are ‘Butt Dialing’ $4,000 Software Upgrades – and Having Refunds Refused"
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020...software-upgrades-and-having-refunds-refused/


https://electrek.co/2020/01/15/tesla-owners-unintentially-buying-software-upgrades-musk/
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I was curious as @TFLtommy seemed to really like the seats, but this guy is really critical of the seats. Are seats really THAT subjective?
 

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this is long, but if you cut out the "not a Mustang" parts, it's a much more easily digestible 3-4 minutes long.
I'm about halfway through (I'll finish the rest tomorrow). Pretty much an extension of the other video. I love Tommy's take. While he's usually taking the MME side vs his dad that's got a heavy Tesla bias, Tommy is more objective and reasonable about it. And is more willing to admit the shortcomings.

Yes, we get it dad, Tesla "was first!" with many features. Good for them. Pat on the back. Gold star. But that has nothing to do with which of these two cars is better or worse. I didn't hear him saying "Well, Ford pioneered the assembly line!".
 

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I was curious as @TFLtommy seemed to really like the seats, but this guy is really critical of the seats. Are seats really THAT subjective?
Seen a lot of disparity in the opinions of seats across many videos. Most are positive on them in general, although many mention the lack of bolstering on the sides.

I remember thinking when we sat in one at a Mach-E Tour that they almost seemed like bench seats. They were even flatter than our Escape seats. But that didn't bother me. They were quite soft and comfortable. Felt really good. But we were only sitting in it for 3-4 minutes.
 

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I was curious as @TFLtommy seemed to really like the seats, but this guy is really critical of the seats. Are seats really THAT subjective?
Though I haven't driven this yet, I've sat in MMEs several times now. I agree with Sam Haymart's assessing them as "spongy." The seats immediately feel comfortable and plush, like a nice couch. But maybe for a long drive, that is not a good thing.

On the flip side, it was nice to hear Sam state that he doesn't think the glass roof will pose any issue in Phoenix.
 

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I don't want to burn gas traveling. Why would we need to do that with a 100 KWh EV? E-tron, model S appear to be able to do it. I will be trying to road trip this EV.
Same here, the whole reason I'm buying this car is to road trip it. I work from home, and even before that, I could walk to work or to groceries. I need a car for long trips, and I don't think burning gas is an acceptable compromise anymore, it's 2021.
 

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this is long, but if you cut out the "not a Mustang" parts, it's a much more easily digestible 3-4 minutes long.
Man his dad just can't let it go.
@TFLtommy has the ability to always calm me down and make me feel good about my purchase. The discussion about the Model Y problems (around 10 min mark), coupled with the interior quality of the MME help to set me at ease.
His dad just can't let it go. There should also be a disclaimer at the start of the video. I know Tommy kept saying it, but when you compare the performance aspect of it they are two different models.
The model Y they have clearly says on it "performance". Each time his dad kept saying the drive is so much funnier and performance is better in the "tesla". No, the statement is in an 11,000 dollar more performance model that is not equal to the other.
I understand you have to test what "ford sent you". But also as a reviewer and not just a video for fun. To be taken as a creditable source you leave the performance aspect out.

No Tommy's dad the disclaimer is you tested the top of the line model Y vs the lowest performance model mache. So in the end need to point that out as your son does. I don't mind his dad being a big fan of the Telsa that's great. It's the misleading of where in some parts you forget to point of the difference. At the end of the video when you do your likes and dislikes, you really can't compare the speed take-off and any other performance aspects. Kinda needed to be left out of the video.

Like comparing different ATV models or anything.
The range is next. We don't know the true range of either of the comparable models yet. We have a few small videos to go off of where the mache went over the amount. One in Europe. His dad said 20%. save comment for later when the two models are on the road and the true mileage road test is done.

Again we understand they had to test what they had. But since your dad was sooooooooooooo proud of his statement of how easy it still is to go to the Tesla service center. Then why not go right down there and get a long-range model y. I mean you are doing reviews right and want to do the best job you can right? Tesla makes it so easy so couldn't have done that?

So if your ho-hum on the ford dealer aspect, then we as video viewers also should be ho-hum on your videos as a credible reviewer. You went half-hearted. It goes both ways, and I see your son's body language and tone showed that.
 

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Saw the new video. But @TFLtommy stil keeps saying he was expecting 150 kW on the short range MachE in the cold of Colorado. I had hoped he will correct his expectations by now. The short range MachE won't charge at that rate.

Also, I don't get their issues with home charging. Tom Moloughney tested many home chargers including Juicebox and they all worked fine for him. See from 8.45 min to 9.20 min mark here.


@TFLtommy's dad also makes a few other misstatements, like Tesla being the first to use all glass roof. I believe many old cars had it. But most people actually like the non-glass roof. Keeps the car cooler. Tesla's all glass roof was a necessity to have enough headroom in the Model 3.

Sounds like his dad is really a Tesla fanboy and unknowingly becomes biased towards tesla. he can't stop ptaising Tesla enough. If he wants a sports car, has he tried the Taycan that is now the king of BEV driving fun?
That's OK. He brings the Tesla owner's viewpoint to the table.
 
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Man his dad just can't let it go.

His dad just can't let it go. There should also be a disclaimer at the start of the video. I know Tommy kept saying it, but when you compare the performance aspect of it they are two different models.
The model Y they have clearly says on it "performance". Each time his dad kept saying the drive is so much funnier and performance is better in the "tesla". No, the statement is in an 11,000 dollar more performance model that is not equal to the other.
I understand you have to test what "ford sent you". But also as a reviewer and not just a video for fun. To be taken as a creditable source you leave the performance aspect out.

No Tommy's dad the disclaimer is you tested the top of the line model Y vs the lowest performance model mache. So in the end need to point that out as your son does. I don't mind his dad being a big fan of the Telsa that's great. It's the misleading of where in some parts you forget to point of the difference. At the end of the video when you do your likes and dislikes, you really can't compare the speed take-off and any other performance aspects. Kinda needed to be left out of the video.

Like comparing different ATV models or anything.
The range is next. We don't know the true range of either of the comparable models yet. We have a few small videos to go off of where the mache went over the amount. One in Europe. His dad said 20%. save comment for later when the two models are on the road and the true mileage road test is done.

Again we understand they had to test what they had. But since your dad was sooooooooooooo proud of his statement of how easy it still is to go to the Tesla service center. Then why not go right down there and get a long-range model y. I mean you are doing reviews right and want to do the best job you can right? Tesla makes it so easy so couldn't have done that?

So if your ho-hum on the ford dealer aspect, then we as video viewers also should be ho-hum on your videos as a credible reviewer. You went half-hearted. It goes both ways, and I see your son's body language and tone showed that.
Also, this needs to be stated also. Are we comparing the very first-tesla model made. The mache is fords first true gound up BEV. You're comparing an updated over the air how many times model y vs a none production model. How about we go back and compare the first tesla coming off the line and the problems it had compared to what the mache might have.

No that would be smart and make sense. So disclaimer we are comparing a way different model vs a none production model that is fords first bev vs tesla 4th BEV.
Hope everyone can understand that. We give tesla the chance to make all the models better over the air and upgrades to model y, double pane glass, and so on and so on but not to ford.

That is also a major problem with the video.



Where was that statement? but people will take and run with it.
 

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@TFLtommy has the ability to always calm me down and make me feel good about my purchase. The discussion about the Model Y problems (around 10 min mark), coupled with the interior quality of the MME help to set me at ease.
I think Tommy’s dad shoots from the hip far too often when he’s speaking. Tommy tends to put some thought into what he says which has more of a balancing/proper perspective effect. I would bet that accounts for flaws in their testing structure and whatnot. On the whole it is informative but comparing a vehicle you’ve been driving for months versus a pre-production vehicle (which they never mention once) you get for 7 days is important information for the consumer. Tommy does a pretty good job of providing context which is something Kyle Connor does very well.

Also I realize Ford made its own bed by calling it a Mustang, but nothing about the Mustang name drew me to this vehicle personally other that good styling. The styling, thoughtfulness into details, being an AWD vehicle for winter months (my in laws are in MN) and possibility for greatness drew me to the MME. Also I call it the Mach e. I never refer to it as a Mustang.

I’m switching to an EV because I drive 40-60 minutes a day on most days in Denver, so an ICE is just not necessary for me. I’ve had my Mini Countryman for three years and have 22,000 miles on it (4,000 of which came in the last 3 months driving back and forth to Memphis for emergency family trips). So when Ford releases the normal Mach e before the GT, and in a crossover style, that makes sense from a business strategy sense. Tommy’s dad can’t get past a moniker and his idea to release the GT is totally ignorant of how vehicle sales have been trending for almost a decade now including theMustang itself whose sales have not done well along with cars in general. All of which is to say, his shooting from the hip lacks depth and nuance which Tommy tends to give. Honestly I could live without his dad on any of these videos.
 

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I think Tommy’s dad shoots from the hip far too often when he’s speaking. Tommy tends to put some thought into what he says which has more of a balancing/proper perspective effect. I would bet that accounts for flaws in their testing structure and whatnot. On the whole it is informative but comparing a vehicle you’ve been driving for months versus a pre-production vehicle (which they never mention once) you get for 7 days is important information for the consumer. Tommy does a pretty good job of providing context which is something Kyle Connor does very well.

Also I realize Ford made its own bed by calling it a Mustang, but nothing about the Mustang name drew me to this vehicle personally other that good styling. The styling, thoughtfulness into details, being an AWD vehicle for winter months (my in laws are in MN) and possibility for greatness drew me to the MME. Also I call it the Mach e. I never refer to it as a Mustang.

I’m switching to an EV because I drive 40-60 minutes a day on most days in Denver, so an ICE is just not necessary for me. I’ve had my Mini Countryman for three years and have 22,000 miles on it (4,000 of which came in the last 3 months driving back and forth to Memphis for emergency family trips). So when Ford releases the normal Mach e before the GT, and in a crossover style, that makes sense from a business strategy sense. Tommy’s dad can’t get past a moniker and his idea to release the GT is totally ignorant of how vehicle sales have been trending for almost a decade now including theMustang itself whose sales have not done well along with cars in general. All of which is to say, his shooting from the hip lacks depth and nuance which Tommy tends to give. Honestly I could live without his dad on any of these videos.
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