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what would be considered a “high load”?
don't mush the go pedal as much, and don't put in electricity as fast -- and potentially let the whole car get to temperature or cool down more gradually. Be gentle to it....
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don't mush the go pedal as much, and don't put in electricity as fast -- and potentially let the whole car get to temperature or cool down more gradually. Be gentle to it....
That's almost the equivalent of saying, just don't drive it.
 

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don't mush the go pedal as much, and don't put in electricity as fast -- and potentially let the whole car get to temperature or cool down more gradually. Be gentle to it....
So would there be a less riskier way to drive? I’m exclusively on 1PD
 

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That's almost the equivalent of saying, just don't drive it.
More like drive it like it was a Nissan Leaf until Ford fixes this.
 

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One thing I am going to start doing: let the car cool for a couple hours after a long drive before starting a L2 charge. That is what Ford recommends, and I have not been doing that.

Right now, I am not planning to change any other behavior.
 


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More like drive it like it was a Nissan Leaf until Ford fixes this.
Or don't... I have no idea if what I suggest might help. Makes me feel a little better for the next little bit while I try and have patience for Ford to get itself together and fix the problem.
 

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So would there be a less riskier way to drive? I’m exclusively on 1PD
No one knows. This is supposed to be the factual thread 😉
 

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One thing I am going to start doing: let the car cool for a couple hours after a long drive before starting a L2 charge. That is what Ford recommends, and I have not been doing that.

Right now, I am not planning to change any other behavior.
Yeah, I’m lucky that I WFH and can just plug in whenever, so I’ve always let the car cool down before it gets charged.
 

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what would be considered a “high load”?
Repeated heavy/WOT accelerations, driving at high speeds >80 MPH for long periods, or DCFC combined with previous. I would suggest avoiding these activities for now. Driving without flooring it. Letting the pack cool before charging is also a good idea.
 

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One thing I am going to start doing: let the car cool for a couple hours after a long drive before starting a L2 charge. That is what Ford recommends, and I have not been doing that.

Right now, I am not planning to change any other behavior.
Any sense whether that advice holds for a L1 charge (I'm on a 120v outlet until I get a Level 2 setup later this summer).
 

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Repeated heavy/WOT accelerations, driving at high speeds >80 MPH for long periods, or DCFC combined with previous. I would suggest avoiding these activities for now. Driving without flooring it. Letting the pack cool before charging is also a good idea.
Wonder if 1PD is harder on the vehicle due to always doing regen instead of coasting?
 

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Any sense whether that advice holds for a L1 charge (I'm on a 120v outlet until I get a Level 2 setup later this summer).
Yes, it's more about heat that happens while driving rather than L1/L2 charging. L1/L2 isn't enough current to do much heating but I would say wait 60 mins for the pack to cool before plugging in. Short or low speed trips you're probably fine charging right away, depends how aggressive you drive. Setting a nightly schedule is best but I understand with L1 you might need to charge during the day.

Wonder if 1PD is harder on the vehicle due to always doing regen instead of coasting?
Regen is only like 1/3 the power of accel so I don't think that is a huge concern. Use whisper mode if you're worried but I don't think it's a big concern unless you're slamming a lot of acel/regen in a short time (like you got 5 reds lights in a row).
 
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Any sense whether that advice holds for a L1 charge (I'm on a 120v outlet until I get a Level 2 setup later this summer).
The advice to let the car sit is in the owners manual and is for battery health. It's not specific to the charge type since it's for the battery, not the charging of the battery. Likewise, there's no evidence to support L1 or L2 causing HVBJB failure from all the information I've seen.

I'll say this again, the car is meant to be charged, driven, discharged and the cycle repeats itself. The prevalence of this is extremely low.
 

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Just my experience, but I treat my Mach-E GTPE with kid gloves and it still blew the HVBJB (still in the shop after a month). 5 months old, odometer 2500 miles.

I only use Level 1 charging (Ford supplied charger on 120 VAC), HV battery is fully charged (90%) before I disconnect, garage kept (no parked environmental extremes), short trips (less than 20 miles), very rare hard accelerations and/or braking, no extreme outside temperatures thus far, no pre-conditioning.

So, for at least my situation, I cannot attribute this failure to any unusual situations. Plus, it would be sad if anyone had to drive their GT Performance edition like a nanny, even when they are waiting for a fix...?
 
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Just my experience, but I treat my Mach-E GTPE with kid gloves and it still blew the HVBJB (still in the shop after a month). 5 months old, odometer 2500 miles.

I only use Level 1 charging (Ford supplied charger on 120 VAC), HV battery is fully charged (90%) before I disconnect, garage kept (no parked environmental extremes), short trips (less than 20 miles), very rare hard accelerations and/or braking, no extreme outside temperatures thus far, no pre-conditioning.

So, for at least my situation, I cannot attribute this failure to any unusual situations. Plus, it would be sad if anyone had to drive their GT Performance edition like a nanny, even when they are waiting for a fix...?
Could you send me your VIN in DM? I would love to see what the dealer has noted in the system.
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