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So. I had a $1000 deposit down on a Model 3 but took it back to wait for the Model Y but will now hold off and move the Mach-E up my list of *very possible purchase* right there beside me buying a MY.

However, THEE biggest question we all have to ask ourselves is, and I honestly believe this is THEE turning point for me as to weather I go E or stick with MY...

Will Ford (of which I bought 120 shares of after they avoided the bailouts) use OTA updates to make the *ENTIRE* Mach-E Fleet gradually better over time, like Tesla does with every single vehicle they've made (yes, smarties, not the original Roadster, I know) OR for updates will we have to go to the dealer to get raped by a Tech Fee just to DL new software improvements or basic UI improvements?
And will the improvements keep coming just like they do at Tesla or will it be model year "improvements" that will lock us out of cool, new improved features.

Seriously. I am a FoMoCo Fanboy. My fleet is Ford. I put my $ where my convictions were and bought stock, and so help me God, I will not buy another car brand... except a Tesla, because as we all know and Elon said at South by SW last year, "Ford and Tesla are the only two American car companies to not go bankrupt" but these kinds of OTA updates are the big thing for me and quite frankly they are what makes Tesla stand out.
Model S, X and Model 3s are literally better and different and improved simply because of whole-fleet software improvements that every owner receives whether they bough a Standard range plus or a Performance M3... and the cars had beamed to them improved breakinf and more power just this month...

Nothing else stands in my way of believing in Ford and Mach-E and buying one over a MY... unless they are going to keep the dealer rape model instead of just beaming new sh** to the Mach-E while it charges in our garages, hooked to our WiFi.

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https://electrek.co/2019/11/16/tesl...goes-0-60mph-in-4-9s-down-from-5-6-at-launch/

My colleague has a Model 3 she's had since December of 2018 and the car has only gotten better over the last year... better breaking, and now more power due to different energy management improvements.

And lest we forget how powerful this sort of thing is, when after Motor Trend tested the Performance Model 3 against the Alfa Romeo, the Alpha bested it because of the breaks... so, after the results were published, Elon and the Team, in 4 days beamed out a new brake software update that totally changed the breaks (not new pads or rotors) and then it beat the Alpha in every way... beamed these improvements to every Model 3...

The idea that Tesla has raised the bar to make me believe the future of cars should be like when our cell phones update over night.
 

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It remains to be seen but lets hope Ford did their home work and follow Tesla's best practices.
 

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It'll be interesting to see which philosophy Ford follows. Tesla hasn't really followed much of a model year strategy. Other than the one refresh of the Model S, they are virtually indistinguishable from one year to the next. Ford, on the other hand, has always rolled out changes for each model year. In the old days, from 1957 to 1964, the full -size Ford was completely different every single year. While that level of change is long gone, I don't expect Ford to go fully to the Tesla end of the spectrum either. When my 2014 Explorer was in its first few years of life, I did get downloadable updates to Sync a couple of times, but certainly nothing approaching Tesla's style. I hope Ford embraces some level of OTA updates; I think that will be competitively necessary. We'll see.
 

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There was an article published not too long ago that OTA updates would be available on the Mach-E (I believe it’s part of Ford’s new Sync4). Now how often they make those updates, and the quality of them, remains to be seen.
 


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I'm waiting to decide between the Y and E also. Not considering anything else. If the Mach E is built in Mexico, I'm going tesla. Game over.
 

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You ask a very good question. As mentioned, having these updates seems to be a competitive necessity, especially in the performance department. I thought Tesla was big on continual updates because they didn't really have the legacy product planning model that other long-term manufacturers like Ford already have in place. So they continually improve on a more frequent or less cadenced basis.

If you think about this vehicle, what would one want to have evolve while it's in your possession? Is it mainly the infotainment capability? Autonomous capability? Acceleration? It would seem that Ford would have needed to be thinking about this mode of evolution from the start, otherwise, it would be more like the Chevy Volt evolution (which I know is a hybrid), where model year changeovers introduced improvements.

I am not as familiar with the ins and outs of Tesla vehicles, but based on what I've seen, I think I would want less "buggy" OTA updates and more reliability over the long haul. However, again, I could be way off the mark here.
 

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Glad to find a fellow shareholder. I have 5000 shares of F. It pays a good dividend and likely will double in value if you can stand to wait for it.

As to Ford updating cars that they have already sold. This contrary to anything any auto manufacturer has done before with the exception of Tesla which is not burdened with dealerships.

How do you sell a new car when you gave away the feature the customer wants?

Back to dealerships. I think we should be able to buy new cars on Amazon and have them shipped to the driveway.
 
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I'm waiting to decide between the Y and E also. Not considering anything else. If the Mach E is built in Mexico, I'm going tesla. Game over.
That's what I remember hearing as well. Freaking Mexico... I forgot about that... forget OTA updates... the Mach-E idea for me may have just died...
 
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It's really hard to avoid foreign manufacturing.

If you buy a Tesla now, it will be built at the old GM plant in Fremont, CA.

I live about 5 miles from it.
 
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It's really hard to avoid foreign manufacturing.

If you buy a Tesla now, it will be built at the old GM plant in Fremont, CA.

I live about 5 miles from it.
Foriegn parts are hard to avoid, foreign manufacturing isn't.
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