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  1. What is your occupation?

    😀 It'll be by far my most expensive vehicle too. Our two 2013 Escapes were in the low $30's (and to be completely honest, we didn't even really pay for those, as we traded cars I won in casino drawings to get the Escapes instead, which is what we really wanted). The last vehicle I paid...
  2. What is your occupation?

    Retired. Former computer analyst. Then former professional gambler.
  3. Is the Mach-E really 7 years behind Tesla?

    And perhaps the biggest piece is a result of govt action -- the settlement with VW that created EA. Also, that $7500 federal tax credit is huge. (Not that I'm a proponent of lots of government mandates and taxpayer subsidies, but there is a significant amount of govt intervention going on in...
  4. Is the Mach-E really 7 years behind Tesla?

    So far it appears Ford's focus for charging is: (1) facilitating home charging solutions for customers (2) their FordPass network app which is basically a payment/station consolidator for 3rd party charging stations (3) getting their dealerships up to speed to sell and service EVs And of...
  5. Ford EV and Mach-E training for dealers - intro video

    Maybe the Bronco? Could also be PHEVs. The Escape PHEV is due out soon, and I think a few other PHEV models. That's where most of Ford's electrification push is going - PHEVs.
  6. Is the Mach-E really 7 years behind Tesla?

    FWIW, I found this in the Ford announcement for Europe. The "for employees" qualifier is the part that stuck out in regards to what we've been discussing here as to whether dealership chargers are expected to be open to the public or not. "Ford also today announced plans to introduce 1,000...
  7. Is the Mach-E really 7 years behind Tesla?

    Electricity is only a part of the cost of public charging. The cost of the chargers, installation, and maintenance are likely the bigger cost. Tesla poured a ton early into putting them in. Money that effected their bottom line for cars to. It had to come from somewhere. Tesla has most of the...
  8. Is the Mach-E really 7 years behind Tesla?

    A lot, yes, as in that additional 30% as I said. That's what I was accounting for. But I think they can reach 20% of the market with minimal city retail charging. Between cities though (i.e. road trips) it's needed. Which is what EA is well into providing. I'm one of those 20%. After doing the...
  9. Is the Mach-E really 7 years behind Tesla?

    Agreed. Unless/until Tesla opens themselves up to all EVs and offers CCS nozzles. It's logical that charging becomes a standalone industry, just like the gasoline/diesel industry. And consumers should want that too, because it creates more competition and more choice. In the long run that...
  10. Is the Mach-E really 7 years behind Tesla?

    It would be the key to getting from 20% market share to 50%. But I think around 20% is within reach with almost no city retail charging at all. For people that have 2 cars (one ICE) and a house with a garage. That's the bulk of the suburbs, where most Americans live. And that's a ton of...
  11. Is the Mach-E really 7 years behind Tesla?

    HAS BEEN very low, yes. That's about to grow significantly in the next few years as more 200+ range models of popular styles and better pricing hit the market. That is, if battery production can keep up.
  12. Is the Mach-E really 7 years behind Tesla?

    Or they see enough market available just for people charging at home that don't need retail chargers (except for the rare road trip).
  13. Is the Mach-E really 7 years behind Tesla?

    200 miles isn't likely to be quick at a dealer. Ford is saying L2 chargers, not DCFC. And even if it were DCFC (unlikely) open to retail public use, if the choice is between sitting around a dealership for an hour vs sitting at a restaurant or even shopping at a Walmart for an hour, I'll take...
  14. Is the Mach-E really 7 years behind Tesla?

    That depends on usage and pricing, just like any business. If they can't make a business case for their existence, then charging stations will fold up and go away. No different than a gas station. The $billions in fines VW paid to get EA going (kinda like the $$ Tesla paid to subsidized their...
  15. Is the Mach-E really 7 years behind Tesla?

    I kinda look at the ICE car enthusiasts (i.e. the ones that really get into the HP and racing cars and 0-60 speeds and all that) like I do the BEV enthusiasts -- as few% niches on each end. But it's the 90% in the middle who buy and use vehicles for their practical purposes that really matter...
  16. Is the Mach-E really 7 years behind Tesla?

    Yep. For most, I envision that being one or more L2 chargers in the customer parking lot where the salesperson can walk the potential customer out, pull up a brand new EV, and demo how it plugs in and what the screens and settings look like. They're gonna want to keep one mostly free for that...
  17. Is the Mach-E really 7 years behind Tesla?

    I think we're just interpreting "having charger(s) at the dealership in order to be a certified EV dealer" differently. I don't think that means Ford dealers have to become retail charging locations open to the public like some seem to be expecting, or wishing. I think it more likely means...
  18. Is the Mach-E really 7 years behind Tesla?

    I don't mean the restaurant itself doing it, I mean a charging company choosing locations that make sense, like near restaurants. And why would someone that just bought a new vehicle keep going back to the dealership (unless their vehicle needed service, which means it'll be in the service...
  19. Is the Mach-E really 7 years behind Tesla?

    I doubt there's gonna be many dealerships that have DCFC chargers, especially open to the public. More likely L2. If any at all open to the public rather than just for their internal use, or reserved for their customers. And in the broader sense, most of the people that need public charging...
  20. Is the Mach-E really 7 years behind Tesla?

    But that doesn't address the placement. That's my point. Yes, road trippers need enough chargers. That's a given. And companies like EA are addressing that, usually in logical places. Dealerships aren't usually very logical places, IMO. For the reasons I stated. And if that's the best...
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