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The photos show a panoramic roof, meaning it’s the higher-end trim costing $70k out the door.

I’m not attacking EV’s v. ICE. I’m attacking Ford’s greed and I’m sticking up for my tax dollars, because I work for a living. And this is not a mere perception.

I don’t think the government should be subsidizing the gazillion dollar oil and gas industry, either. But right now, we’re talking about Ford using tax incentives to price creep a base model Ford to $50k.

There’s plenty of profit there already; they just lopped the tax incentive on top.

Jeep prices are coming down swiftly. They overproduced. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-26/jeep-wranglers-pile-up-on-dealer-lots-in-risk-signal-for-detroit https://www.motor1.com/news/345524/2018-jeep-wrangler-dealer-markdown/ But your overall point that auto prices have...

No one is “fighting” against the EV “revolution.” The only revolution going on is you getting swindled, in a different way. I’m always amazed at how eagerly people want “free” stuff from their government.

Having sold many new cars in my younger days (at Ford) to get through school, I‘m certain the dealers aren’t going away. I’m equally certain you aren’t actually getting a deal when the price is locked.

The Ford Falcon is on line 2, when you’re ready OP.

I have looked at the prices of new cars. We bought a new Lexus SUV for the wife last December, and it wasn’t cheap. Even if you look at Ford’s own lineup, there are plenty of other vehicles with much, much nicer offerings at $50k. I guess at that point, it comes down to how bad you want a...

Yes, “life” is when a base model Ford costs $50k. Okayyyy.

I work for a living so I’m not a big fan of the government picking winners in the market space with tax incentives that ultimately just produce price creep, like everything else the government touches. Edit: Do you think Ford/Tesla figured the tax incentive into their pricing calculation? Of...

The point you missed, is that Tesla can compete with the luxury brands in the minds of consumers at $50k, but I don’t think Ford can do that as well. And, honestly, the Mustang name will probably drag sells, too. It cheapens and limits the EV in this exact way.

I think the numbers that will most effect the Mach-E’s success are these: $43,895 and $36,395. Like Tesla, Ford is using a “potential future tax savings” to almost arrive at the magic number $35k, which is even pretty high for most mortals. That trick won’t work for Ford like it does for...

There’s that “limited-quantity First Edition” line again. I’m not sure I want/need the First Edition . . . it probably just includes a fancy placard on the dash for collectors. I’m far from car collecting now, but I might regret it in 30 years.

When did Ford promise they wouldn’t build out the Mustang brand?

I thought the Mustang people hated the Mach-E because it’s tarnishing the brand supposedly and because it’ll make them look pedestrian.

Pretty sure you’re thinking of Frankfurt. The LA Auto Show is huge for electric as well, and this year they’re debuting more cars than ever. https://laautoshow.com/press_releases/automobility-la-2019-poised-to-have-one-of-the-largest-number-of-debut-vehicles-in-show-history/

But is it more Taycan or Model Y, or . . . both, depending on trim?

Beyond the obvious fact that the Mach-E has been billed as a four-door for over two years now, what do you think this is, if not for rear doors? Sheesh.