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Near as I can figure, the charging profile can be described thusly from 10%:

≤ 10%: 150kW for 3-5 mins
15% - 60%: 100kW
60% -70%: 90kW
70% - 80%: 80kW decreasing to 70kW
80% - 100%: 12-14kW

This is based on Charged EVs article, Kyle Connor's interview with @Mach-E VLOG, Tom Moloughney's Plug & Charge demo, and OP's article.

I think we can figure on getting nearly 50kWh in 30 minutes (~100kW average).
So it does look like this charging curve. a 30 minute roadside charge will enable about 125 miles of range on the interstate. That is going to painful for some drivers.

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So it does look like this charging curve. a 30 minute roadside charge will enable about 125 miles of range on the interstate. That is going to painful for some drivers.

Ford Mustang Mach-E 2021 Mustang Mach-E: How fast does the Ford EV charge up on road trips? mach e charging curve yes
Yep. Pretty darn close. I think there are two stepdowns that have to be built into the graph but it's close enough for government work.
 
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Near as I can figure, the charging profile can be described thusly from 10%:

≤ 10%: 150kW for 3-5 mins
15% - 60%: 100kW
60% -70%: 90kW
70% - 80%: 80kW decreasing to 70kW
80% - 100%: 12-14kW

This is based on Charged EVs article, Kyle Connor's interview with @Mach-E VLOG, Tom Moloughney's Plug & Charge demo, and OP's article.

I think we can figure on getting nearly 50kWh in 30 minutes (~100kW average).
That seems to be the rough profile for the ones tested so far (when it even worked at all). Where it fell way short, cold temps appear to have been one of the contributing factors that we'll probably need to adjust for.

But there's so much variability that I have a rather low degree of confidence that we've nailed down much of a projection yet. Especially since these tests were all in pre-production units. Still though, it's a start.
 

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a 30 minute roadside charge will enable about 125 miles of range on the interstate. That is going to painful for some drivers
That's actually about what Ford said it would be. In the 300 mile version, they said 10-80% in 45 minutes. That's 70% of 300 = 210. Adjust that to 30 minutes and it's 140. Adjust for highway speeds and, well, 125 might even be a tad generous. Especially with cabin heat on.

Oh, and take another 10% off for those of us with AWD.

~30 minutes and ~100 mile segments is about what ABRP showed for most of my I-70/I-15 road trip stops to Vegas (6 of them for a 785 mile drive).
 

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So it does look like this charging curve. a 30 minute roadside charge will enable about 125 miles of range on the interstate. That is going to painful for some drivers.

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EA stations are usually spaced 70-85 miles apart. At 2.5mi/kWh and 50kWh in 30 mins (125mi range @ 70mph), a half hour stop won't enable a skip-stop road trip cadence. It'll be quicker to do a 15-20min recharge session and hit every EA station at 70-85 mile intervals.

Once high-powered stations are every 50mi apart, skip-stops will be easy peasy.
 
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So it does look like this charging curve. a 30 minute roadside charge will enable about 125 miles of range on the interstate. That is going to painful for some drivers.

Ford Mustang Mach-E 2021 Mustang Mach-E: How fast does the Ford EV charge up on road trips? mach e charging curve yes
I made that with my finger many months ago based on information I researched, the claims from Ford, and a bit of inside info I tracked down by stalking EA chargers online. I felt attacked for making such a wild claim.
 

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I made that with my finger many months ago based on information I researched, the claims from Ford, and a bit of inside info I tracked down by stalking EA chargers online. I felt attacked for making such a wild claim.
You finger paint like a pro! All joshing aside, it's a good approximation. Well done.

For now, the 150kW peak power is a marketing gimmick. The sustained average power is ~100kW for about 30 mins.

I think that puts it at about third best profile behind Audi and Tesla.
 
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I would be extremely happy with a 10-15 minute 150kW push before it tapered. I'm not interested in cooking my battery to save 3 minutes.
15 minutes x 150 kW = over 100 miles. Hear that Darren! I know you guys are listening.
 

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Wondering if any charging improvements in the upcoming OTA update. So many reviewers have commented on the charging experience, it should really be something Ford is focusing on.
 

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EA stations are usually spaced 70-85 miles apart. At 2.5mi/kWh and 50kWh in 30 mins (125mi range @ 70mph), a half hour stop won't enable a skip-stop road trip cadence. It'll be quicker to do a 15-20min recharge session and hit every EA station at 70-85 mile intervals.

Once high-powered stations are every 50mi apart, skip-stops will be easy peasy.
EA Stations? Zero in the UP of Michigan where zero Tesla Superchargers exist. Zero EA stations in central and Northern Wisconsin as in Minnesota. Ever hear of Green Bay, Wisconsin? Zero CCS DCFC stations. North and South Dakota are also lacking EA stations as is West Virginia. Holes in the charging networks exist. The chicken and egg issue.
 

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EA stations are usually spaced 70-85 miles apart. At 2.5mi/kWh and 50kWh in 30 mins (125mi range @ 70mph), a half hour stop won't enable a skip-stop road trip cadence. It'll be quicker to do a 15-20min recharge session and hit every EA station at 70-85 mile intervals.

Once high-powered stations are every 50mi apart, skip-stops will be easy peasy.
it's probably worth noting that when @OutofSpecKyle was part of their recent EV coast-to-coast run they chose to do more, shorter charges, and that it was what they thought would be the fastest way to go.

I don't know enough about the curve in the Mach-E (and we don't really know with a production version yet, do we?) vs. charger availability/reliability vs. etc. etc. to know if that makes sense or not.
 

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EA Stations? Zero in the UP of Michigan where zero Tesla Superchargers exist. Zero EA stations in central and Northern Wisconsin as in Minnesota. Ever hear of Green Bay, Wisconsin? Zero CCS DCFC stations. North and South Dakota are also lacking EA stations as is West Virginia. Holes in the charging networks exist. The chicken and egg issue.
You keep harping this same thing over and over again. Are you just complaining on this forum? Are you reaching out to EA and suggesting places for chargers? Do you live in those areas you mentioned? Are you going to your town hall meetings and trying to get them to put in chargers? Even Tesla places superchargers with consideration to customers. If you're unhappy with charging in your area, do something about it. Complaining on this forum isn't going to get a lot done.
 

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You keep harping this same thing over and over again. Are you just complaining on this forum? Are you reaching out to EA and suggesting places for chargers? Do you live in those areas you mentioned? Are you going to your town hall meetings and trying to get them to put in chargers? Even Tesla places superchargers with consideration to customers. If you're unhappy with charging in your area, do something about it. Complaining on this forum isn't going to get a lot done.
I reached out to EA in 2019 about this issue. I have contacted Ford dealers in Green Bay, Wausau Wisconsin about their knowledge of future CCS DCFC chargers and none stated they knew of any future installs. I have contacted ZEF Energy Inc as they are building out a series of DCFC in the Midwest but declined to venture into the UP of Michigan or Northern Wisconsin. As for reaching out to politicians, hopeless. Finger pointing at each other. Now will you call one of the Central or Northern Wisconsin Ford dealers and ask them to install a CCS DCFC or if they know of any arriving in the future? AS for Michigan, I have had several conversations with Hage Automotive (Detroit based) on future locations including the UP of Michigan. They have indicated they have scouted such locations and "had" an agreement to install DCFC at the Casino in Mackinaw City but that fell apart and think they may have another location in that area.
 
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I reached out to EA in 2019 about this issue. I have contacted Ford dealers in Green Bay, Wausau Wisconsin about their knowledge of future CCS DCFC chargers and none stated they knew of any future installs. I have contacted ZEF Energy Inc as they are building out a series of DCFC in the Midwest but declined to venture into the UP of Michigan or Northern Wisconsin. As for reaching out to politicians, hopeless. Finger pointing at each other. Now will you call one of the Central or Northern Wisconsin Ford dealers and ask them to install a CCS DCFC or if they know of any arriving in the future? AS for Michigan, I have had several conversations with Hage Automotive (Detroit based) on future locations including the UP of Michigan. They have indicated they have scouted such locations and "had" an agreement to install DCFC at the Casino in Mackinaw City but that fell apart and think they may have another location in that area.
Keep trying. It's good you have a dedicate thread for that. We need one for the state of WV, too!
 

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I would be extremely happy with a 10-15 minute 150kW push before it tapered. I'm not interested in cooking my battery to save 3 minutes.
15 minutes x 150 kW = over 100 miles. Hear that Darren! I know you guys are listening.
Yeah, 3-5 minutes at 150kW is not spectacular. 20 minutes would get us to 50kWh but Ford might be worried af about frying the battery and paying out on warranty claims.

Maybe one of the new owners out there should try out their cars at EA and let us know how Plug / Charge works for them and what the charge profile looks like? Especially interesting before/after the first OTAs start rolling out.

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≤ 10%: 150kW for 3-5 mins
15% - 60%: 100kW
60% -70%: 90kW
70% - 80%: 80kW decreasing to 70kW
80% - 100%: 12-14kW
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