That's great, what company is it? And what do you do for them? I love machine learning, it has really taken off and it's crazy to see how many companies are finally understanding the benefits. I'm in data analytics and in healthcare we have been discussing machines learning and other AI types of systems for a while. I love seeing how it had been making positive impacts for healthcare, how has it been in your industry?
We are comparing the 2022 Select w/ Comfort and Tech to the 2023 Select. The 2023 base Select will only include 90 days of Blue Cruise. Added cost to extend
Oh, I see. Sorry I misread that. Bummer for the 2023 buyers. Besides Alexa that is my favorite feature
$1900 to extend the blue cruise and 360 cameras
Yeah, it’s essentially a $15k price increase for me ($8k +$7500) and the dealer I had been talking to just let me know they’re going to add a $5k ADM for orders starting tomorrow. I told them to go stuff it.Very curious to see what this does to demand. An entire segment of people will be ineligible for the tax credit (income caps), but I don't think they're necessarily wealthy enough to fork over another $15k for the same car in a '23 model. Is this still a 200,000 units/year car? Honestly I hope not, I like having a somewhat uncommon car
I hope you didnt cancel, it feels like dealers are deliberately trying to get you to cancel so they can get 1 more allocation to sell with ADM. They shouldn't be charging adm on these types of special orders.
I agree with you. I also hate to say it but I passed by your post because I wasn't sure how to reply without sounding condescending or judgmental and was hoping you'd get a better reply. I'm sorry that you didn't.
Daemonic3 already answered this one a bit, but I wanted to expand a bit on it too: people don't usually talk about the ranges in exact numbers. There are two reasons for that:
It is massively under leveraged in healthcare... I work in healthcare on the clinical side and have only worked at one institution that had an actual AI division, and even that was regarded as being brand new. I know other places I've been at do use it but there is a whole lot more we could be using it for. It has the potential to change quite a bit and I think it will, once people understand more about what it is and what it can do.
There are plenty of dealers out there (probably most of them) who won't charge ADM on a customer order. Actually, it's kind of surprising a dealer would ask for ADM on an order because all of their potential customers will go elsewhere. As a result, they won't end up with any abandoned orders that they can mark up.
The story with ADM is that in the very beginning Ford explicitly forbade adding markup to customer orders. Then a year or so in, Ford just advised against it. Starting around December 2021 or so, Ford gave permission for dealerships to do it (according to my dealership - although I'm not sure if that's something special for dealerships in Hawaii, where the transportation cost is likely much higher than the flat $1,100 that shows up on all Mach-E window stickers).
You won't see it on your sticker because the $600 was added to the MSRP. Cars that were sold before BlueCruise was available were $600 cheaper and we were told that we would have to pay $600 for 3 years of BlueCruise when it became available (which later became 1 year free since it took so long). As soon as cars started shipping with BlueCruise, they increased the MSRP by $600 to pay for the 3 year subscription. There have obviously been several unrelated price increases since then, so it's moot at this point. But nothing is free.
It makes sense that the market is different in HI given the logistics. I think with 2023 MME price increases and the possible loss of the federal tax rebate, it's going to be pretty hard for most dealers to get ADM in 2023. Teslas and Chevys will have rebates and the Ioniq5/EV6 seem to be getting easier to find. At some point, competition will balance things out. I think Ford has probably put a lot of analysis into setting 2023 prices. They won't leave extra meat on the bones for the dealers like they have in the past couple of years.
The reason the ADM dealer gave was that they expect a large allocation (high volume dealer) and they expect to have priority on initial orders (over other smaller dealers with likely smaller allocations). Whether that’s true or completely made up is irrelevant, they lost my business. I called other area dealers and the first one I called said “no we don’t add any markup to orders”, so I assigned my online order to them.
