2024 Mach-E Rally first live look from Detroit Autoshow debut

[A-A-Ron]

I’ll say it again, if Ford doesn’t fix the existing GT/PE, that they on-purpose neutered with software, I will never buy another Ford again.

Yes, they "on purpose neutered with software" to prevent it from failing. I get the angst with the 5s limiter, but it's 100% a hardware problem, not a software issue.

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[Mach1E]

Yes, they "on purpose neutered with software" to prevent it from failing. I get the angst with the 5s limiter, but it's 100% a hardware problem, not a software issue.

But is it though? No GTs have broken due to too much horsepower.

They neutered the software because they were sure how much power the hardware could take (due to a lack of temperature sensors).

Now after “extensive testing” they will “change that limit.”

Other than the HVJB (which was an underdeveloped POS that can’t even handle the 281 hp rwd model), the hardware seems just fine.

Competitors drive 160 mph with no limits on acceleration using the same tech. We shall see what the happy medium is that our hardware can handle either when we get the OTA update or when the Rally comes out.

 

[agoldman]

love the glacier gray color!

 

[buzznwood]

But is it though? No GTs have broken due to too much horsepower.

They neutered the software because they were sure how much power the hardware could take (due to a lack of temperature sensors).

Now after “extensive testing” they will “change that limit.”

Other than the HVJB (which was an underdeveloped POS that can’t even handle the 281 hp rwd model), the hardware seems just fine.

Competitors drive 160 mph with no limits on acceleration using the same tech. We shall see what the happy medium is that our hardware can handle either when we get the OTA update or when the Rally comes out.

The GT/GTPE is now miles behind the competition in the performance stakes and no doubt why someone dreams up the whole 'rally' idea which is a cosmetic exercise at best to try and boost sales and isn't going to fool anyone.

As a base platform the long wheel base and pedestrian steering of the mach-e is a terrible starting point for a rally vehicle, they can't do much about the wheel base but could at least fix the steering but haven't even bothered to do that.

However I agree that what ever software changes they make to the power limits should filter down to the GT/GPTE as the rally edition is still way behind in the power stakes compared to the competition with it still targeting 480bhp so I doubt that a revised rear motor is really going to be the difference between why a rally edition can have a longer WOT vs a GT/GTPE.

If it is then its not a very good look, so I suspect the 2024s GT/GTPE will get the same rally drive train, while earlier adopters just hammer another nail into the no more fords coffin.

 

[AKgrampy]

The only thing that intrigues me is the extra road clearance and the underbody protection. The roads are icy all winter and there are many dirt and gravel roads (live on one) which that would add some protection. But at 18 months and zero issues it is not intriguing enough to get me thinking about buying a new model at this time. I will just wait out my Option and see what is available in 2025.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

They said we are getting an update.

This is the first time I’ve heard the words “removed” in reference to the 5 second limit, so that’s a huge deal.

“We will change that limit” is different than “removed.”

The new motor does explain the extra torque. Although that does tell us we probably won’t get the extra tq ourselves OTA.

We have enough torque as is. Just need to remove the shackles. I find it strange that Ford would spend money on a "whole new motor" and only get a few extra Ft/# of torque out of it compared to the current motor.

 

[Mach1E]

We have enough torque as is. Just need to remove the shackles. I find it strange that Ford would spend money on a "whole new motor" and only get a few extra Ft/# of torque out of it compared to the current motor.

Yeah. To be fair though they’re using the words “at least.”

My guess is they’ll end up with 500 hp, but don’t want to over promise and under deliver.

 

[AtomicInternet]

I'll be taking the spoiler off this and putting it on mine. So if you get one and don't like the spoiler, hit me up lol.

 

[Lynsey]

I'll be taking the spoiler off this and putting it on mine. So if you get one and don't like the spoiler, hit me up lol.

I don't like it, but I sorta like the spoiler too. Maybe Ford will sell that spoiler.

 

[SWO]

We have enough torque as is. Just need to remove the shackles. I find it strange that Ford would spend money on a "whole new motor" and only get a few extra Ft/# of torque out of it compared to the current motor.

If I know Ford, it's a cost-cutting measure somehow. I think the existing rear motor is designed/built by someone else (Borg Warner? Magna?) so I'm going to bet this is an in-house design and also probably something they can share with other platforms.

 

[SWO]

I don't like the news that there are hardware changes in the rally. Seems like that will only delay removing the shackles on the existing GTs/GTPEs.

 

[BigMach-E]

I don't like the news that there are hardware changes in the rally. Seems like that will only delay removing the shackles on the existing GTs/GTPEs.

Honestly, in my mind, Ford has about until the middle of next year to fix the throttling issue for existing GT/PE owners, or it’s going to be me turning my back on the brand for good. Really almost had a bunch of converts, but this “make a new model, that has largely the same hardware, but take off the software limitations we imposed on it” thing stinks.

 

[HuntingPudel]

Honestly, in my mind, Ford has about until the middle of next year to fix the throttling issue for existing GT/PE owners, or it’s going to be me turning my back on the brand for good. Really almost had a bunch of converts, but this “make a new model, that has largely the same hardware, but take off the software limitations we imposed on it” thing stinks.

Based on how slow Ford is on rolling out the BCM/GFM update OTA, I don’t expect that there will be an OTA to change the 5 second limit before my Options contract is up in 2025. I might be done paying off my balloon before this exists OTA.

 

[BigMach-E]

Based on how slow Ford is on rolling out the BCM/GFM update OTA, I don’t expect that there will be an OTA to change the 5 second limit before my Options contract is up in 2025. I might be done paying off my balloon before this exists OTA.

I think you might be right. It’s really super disappointing. I used to be so gung-ho about Ford’s move to electrification. I never considered the brand before the MME. Just how the company has handled the roll out of software, amongst other things, gives me pause.

 

[SWO]

Based on how slow Ford is on rolling out the BCM/GFM update OTA, I don’t expect that there will be an OTA to change the 5 second limit before my Options contract is up in 2025. I might be done paying off my balloon before this exists OTA.

I think you could be right - late 24 at the earliest and if there's an OTA recall for something (God forbid) it could get shelved even longer. They've been building BC 1.3 cars for months(?) now and nothing has come OTA.

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