Almost $1000 to renew my MME tags!

[tomterky]

The states needs some way to recover a gas tax not paid by EV’s. Maybe the gas tax needs to be eliminated and replaced by state tolls. My other car is a hybrid that uses 1/2 the gas as an ICE vehicle.

$718 for new tabs on my MME...$75.00 EV tax included.

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[Mach1E]

God Bless Texas! $75 / year

I pay about $200 a year in Florida.

But that’s the total for 3 cars and a boat!

 

[Lloydian]

Arizona bases registration on the list price of the vehicle, and that price gets reduced 15% every year after that. But electric vehicles bought by the end of last year (as in two weeks ago) started at 1% of the list price. For this year, they'll start at 20% of the list price.

The biggest component of my cost was the $25 for the personalized plate.

 

[astronut325]

Anyone in Los Angeles have a registration fee to share? Curious what it costs in SoCal.

 

[ConejoRed]

Anyone in Los Angeles have a registration fee to share? Curious what it costs in SoCal.

$753 for a CA RT 1. This does include personal plate fees.

 

[devildog125]

In MO it's about $150 for 2 years but you have to pay a yearly personal property tax. So I register some of my vehicles like my MME in Montana where there is 0 sales tax, 0 personal property tax, and it is ~$250/year in registration fees. Well less than the yearly Missouri tax (~8% on 1/5th the cars value yearly).

The new ev sticker price shocked me a bit when I registered mine. The alternative fuel tax is every year and according to the dmv is set to rise 30% every year. Mo really hates evs

 

[breeves002]

The new ev sticker price shocked me a bit when I registered mine. The alternative fuel tax is every year and according to the dmv is set to rise 30% every year. Mo really hates evs

Oh yeah just don't buy the sticker. I forgot about that. They will still give you your plates without it. They get kinda weirded out and the state sends you these letters saying its a $500 fine if caught. Cops don't even know you have to have the stickers...but that could change...

 

[Dylancch]

Mines 1700 lol

 

[devildog125]

Oh yeah just don't buy the sticker. I forgot about that. They will still give you your plates without it. They get kinda weirded out and the state sends you these letters saying its a $500 fine if caught. Cops don't even know you have to have the stickers...but that could change...

I totally would however I work at the Highway Patrol headquarters lol

 

[seattledan206]

In the state of Washington, the RTA (Regional Transit Authority)tax. I found this on the web from 2019. On the Washington State vehicle registration, there is RTA and Other taxes. RTA can be deducted. ... In the State of Washington, the only portion of your vehicle registration that is tax deductible (on Form 1040 Schedule A) is the amount shown on your statement for the RTA (Regional Transit Authority) tax.

 

[JSeis]

I think the early adopters are going to escape some fees but once BEV ownership hits 10%… the state’s highway funds are going to feel the heat. The recent rain let loose about a dozen slides here locally and all along highways built 90-100 years ago w/steep cut banks resulting roads undercut, roads filled with mud. It won’t be cheap to fix. And these are fed aid arterial highways. Local governments are in a worse position.

 

[TheSteelRider]

I think the early adopters are going to escape some fees but once BEV ownership hits 10%… the state’s highway funds are going to feel the heat. The recent rain let loose about a dozen slides here locally and all along highways built 90-100 years ago w/steep cut banks resulting roads undercut, roads filled with mud. It won’t be cheap to fix. And these are fed aid arterial highways. Local governments are in a worse position.

Yeah, I recently was talking to family members about our EV and was talking about how some of the fuel cost difference comes from road taxes, and I realized an "oh crap" moment that municipalities are going to have to make up the "gas tax" some kind of other way for EVs. Probably is going to be recouped via registration fees, I would guess.

But. there is a problem with that. The "great" thing about the gas tax is, it is proportional both to the fuel efficiency of the vehicle (the more fuel efficient, the less fuel you use, less tax you pay) AND to the number of miles driven (the more miles driven, the more fuel used, the more tax you pay). This unconsciously promotes more fuel efficient vehicles AND things like carpooling and such.

I can't think of a convenient way to tax EVs besides registration tax. From there, it's either
1. something like a flat tax (which eliminates any incentives I pointed out above); or
2. a vehicle value tax (which is in a way perverse because you can drive 1 million miles a year and pay the same tax as someone who drives 1000 miles a year even though you are causing more wear and tear on the roads); or
3. a miles driven tax. But, this requires you to report your mileage when you register (which will end up like the IRS - wealthy people will be able to somehow avoid it and poor people will not)

A conundrum.

 

[joes723]

Yeah, I recently was talking to family members about our EV and was talking about how some of the fuel cost difference comes from road taxes, and I realized an "oh crap" moment that municipalities are going to have to make up the "gas tax" some kind of other way for EVs. Probably is going to be recouped via registration fees, I would guess.

But. there is a problem with that. The "great" thing about the gas tax is, it is proportional both to the fuel efficiency of the vehicle (the more fuel efficient, the less fuel you use, less tax you pay) AND to the number of miles driven (the more miles driven, the more fuel used, the more tax you pay). This unconsciously promotes more fuel efficient vehicles AND things like carpooling and such.

I can't think of a convenient way to tax EVs besides registration tax. From there, it's either
1. something like a flat tax (which eliminates any incentives I pointed out above); or
2. a vehicle value tax (which is in a way perverse because you can drive 1 million miles a year and pay the same tax as someone who drives 1000 miles a year even though you are causing more wear and tear on the roads); or
3. a miles driven tax. But, this requires you to report your mileage when you register (which will end up like the IRS - wealthy people will be able to somehow avoid it and poor people will not)

A conundrum.

#3 is definitely going to happen. WA state has been doing a pilot program for a pay-per-mile tax since pre-pandemic. Will most likely be automatically reported via the telematics already built into the car. They found that there are several ways the system can be scammed when people took pics of their odometers and simple photo manipulation.

 

[HeyMomTheMeatloaf]

EV owners need to unite, and drop any political tribalism crap. This issue is real.

DMV/Secretary of State, along with utility companies want to raise EV ownership costs.

They use a variety of reasons, but they are working to extract more $ from EV owners.

We must recognize that we avoid gas taxes, and have a fair solution, but we must know when we are being taken advantage of.

Utility rate pricing programs, vehicle registration costs, and taxes on things like tires are areas that need to be monitored closely.

EV ownership is already expensive enough in USA, and we don't need to make these even less affordable than they already are.

 

[UW2]

Anyone in Los Angeles have a registration fee to share? Curious what it costs in SoCal.

Sou Cal DMV renewal for me is $720

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