Are other EVs this bad?

[tonytaylor53]

I, for the life of me , can't see how that would be possible in any scenario. Even with optimal charging speed. Can someone do the math here for me?

My quick Excel sheet said the time you gain driving faster is lost to charging time pretty much 1:1. Unless your trip is on the edge of needing one last charge, I've decided it doesn't matter. I bluecruise at 79 with 2 bars distance. If someone cuts me off, I just follow them with Blue Cruise at 79 with 2 bars distance.

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[Jgg181]

Trump RULES! This whole thread is propoganda! Elon is a genuis! All you haters must be supporting Putin!

I'm just spitballing here....trying to get this thread locked...

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[agoldman]

My experience is that many Ford dealers clearly act like they don't want to be bothered with anything except ice trucks. Certainly not EV models. A bit better up the North Atlantic area.

 

[ipca204]

My quick Excel sheet said the time you gain driving faster is lost to charging time pretty much 1:1. Unless your trip is on the edge of needing one last charge, I've decided it doesn't matter. I bluecruise at 79 with 2 bars distance. If someone cuts me off, I just follow them with Blue Cruise at 79 with 2 bars distance.

yeah, i still feel that there is no way that it can be faster having to charge extra, or even EQUAL to just driving reasonably. What kind of spreadsheet voodoo you working? I would love to be proven wrong so I can drive fast....lol

 

[jdeve]

If you have 40 miles range and the next charger is 60 miles. Drive faster, works opposite an ICE vehicle. Everyone should know that.

 

[tonytaylor53]

yeah, i still feel that there is no way that it can be faster having to charge extra, or even EQUAL to just driving reasonably. What kind of spreadsheet voodoo you working? I would love to be proven wrong so I can drive fast....lol

Like I said- very rough. This does not include the charge you leave the house with. That matters more on a short trip, less on a long trip.

Column B is my non-scientific empirical observations I seem to remember. You should plug in your own numbers if you have them.
I have a 2024 GT and Ford advertises 10-80% charge in 36 minutes.
Convert that to kWh. Multiply by column B to get miles added.
Divide miles added by mph, add charge minutes to get hours.

This would be from the time you plug in at 10%, charge to 80%, then drive to 10% again. Of course there is time spent getting to the charge station, you'll not find a station at exactly 10% charge left, etc, etc.

I decided total mph are close enough that it doesn't matter. Drive the car and have fun.

 

[T1328]

I was so excited to buy my first EV in December - a new 2024 extended range Mach E Premium!

it’s been downhill from there - broken mobile charger that ford won’t replace, range under 200 miles, and getting stranded at the airport because the public charger provided drained the battery instead of charging it.

I’m definitely done with Ford, but I’m wondering if other EVs have these same issues. Anyone have any experience with Hyundai or any other EV makers? I won’t do Tesla- I don’t need the public blow-back.

I’m wondering if I should give another EV model a try, or just go back to ICE cars because maybe EV technology hasn’t come far enough to produce an every-day reliable car. Thoughts?

I’ve had several EVs now. While I don’t have any of the issues you’re referring to other than low range in winter, outside of Tesla, I’ve had a Hyundai Ioniq 5, and a 2nd hand Audi e-tron. Neither has any of these issues. Both have heat pumps, which helps a lot more than most people realize with range in winter. The e-tron was particularly nice, but unfortunately I was hit by some moron, and the car was declared a total loss. At that time, EVs were depreciating so quickly, that I couldn’t justify purchasing another 2nd hand e-tron, or I would have done that. With the Ioniq 5, the same is true of the Kia EV6, which is slightly more fun to drive than the Ioniq, with tighter steering, and even more so, with the Genesis GV60, with all 3 being built on the same Hyundai Motor Group’s platform. I would look at leading a Kia EV6 GT-Line or a Genesis GV60 Advanced. The Genesis, if you can get a good lease deal on it, is particularly nice. It has a lower official range than the Macy-E, but in real world driving it has a better range, particularly in winter.

 

[Shepherd]

Hey OP @LudlowLawyer we want to know how the story ends, we're dying here!

I don't have a theory myself why it happened. I'd just like to know what not to do if I ever use one of these long-term airport parking chargers. I don't even know if they are AC or DC chargers.

 

[GreaseMonkey]

@LudlowLawyer, what the hell happened? You can’t leave us hanging after 14 pages of comments!

 

[shark]

My guess is that nothing happened. He got back and the car started up just fine and he drove home. He probably won't be back to the forum until some other minor thing happens and he starts his Chicken Little routine all over again.

 

[Gimme_my_MME]

Or he just doesn't want to deal with all the people here no matter what happened

 

[Zardoz]

I, for the life of me , can't see how that would be possible in any scenario. Even with optimal charging speed. Can someone do the math here for me?

I apologize for being a fart in the wind!

I haven't done testing, but if I make a trip in ABRP with a reference speed of 100% and then change it to 125% (with a max speed of something high, like 90 or 100 mph) you'll see the trip with the faster speed results in a quicker arrival time.

Here are three examples. All are LA to Sacramento, using a 2022+ Mach E GT. Only change I made was the reference speed (max speed set at 125 mph so it isn't limiting). Notice the change from a reference speed of 75% to 125%; the charging time almost doubles but the trip time is estimated to be 2 hours 27 minutes faster.

My take away is that a charger can replenish the battery faster than it can be discharged when driving at consistent highway speeds. (and of course there are always limits and variables I'm not taking into consideration) Will there be a sweet spot for time vs driving speed? Oh yes, and unique to every route and the weather conditions at the time.

 

[WJD]

The benefit or detriment from driving slower depends on the circumstances. On a really long trip with lots of chargers, drive fast. But, I drove from Tucson to Phoenix and back at 5 mph over the speed limit and had to stop to charge on the way back. The next time I drove in the slow lane and made it back home without changing. In this case slower driving saved time.

 

[Zardoz]

Exactly. Here's another example. LA to Santa Barbara and back. Drive the speed limit: no charging. Drive 5% over the speed limit? Now you have to charge and your travel time is longer. Drive 10% over the speed limit? Have to charge, but the drive time is reduced enough to justify the charge. Avoiding DCFC isn't always the best case for time, but it is usually the best case for cost. (also assuming you don't have to wait for a charger or deal with a broken charger; DCFC can be a crap shoot).

 

[Space_Pony]

I apologize for being a fart in the wind!

I haven't done testing, but if I make a trip in ABRP with a reference speed of 100% and then change it to 125% (with a max speed of something high, like 90 or 100 mph) you'll see the trip with the faster speed results in a quicker arrival time.

Here are three examples. All are LA to Sacramento, using a 2022+ Mach E GT. Only change I made was the reference speed (max speed set at 125 mph so it isn't limiting). Notice the change from a reference speed of 75% to 125%; the charging time almost doubles but the trip time is estimated to be 2 hours 27 minutes faster.

My take away is that a charger can replenish the battery faster than it can be discharged when driving at consistent highway speeds. (and of course there are always limits and variables I'm not taking into consideration) Will there be a sweet spot for time vs driving speed? Oh yes, and unique to every route and the weather conditions at the time.

When you get stopped by Police for driving over 90 mph, you'll be booked at the jail around here. You left the extra time for posting bond and getting fingerprinted out of your calculations.

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