California law for all new cars by 2035 ? It's been barred by the House of Reps!

[devmach-e]

Some people genuinely require AC for health reasons.

I'm not saying they shouldn't be comfortable. Or alive. But the growth of AC in homes has a larger impact on the grid than EVs. That said, I am one of those people who have converted their homes to all electric as much as possible. Heat pump for heating and the occasional cooling (very rare where we are), and domestic hot water. But my usage of those things tends to be either a) off peak times when resource are more abundant, and b) when the solar panels on the roof are producing (which happens to be when electricity is off-peak).

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[Mach1E]

I'm not saying they shouldn't be comfortable. Or alive. But the growth of AC in homes has a larger impact on the grid than EVs. That said, I am one of those people who have converted their homes to all electric as much as possible. Heat pump for heating and the occasional cooling (very rare where we are), and domestic hot water. But my usage of those things tends to be either a) off peak times when resource are more abundant, and b) when the solar panels on the roof are producing (which happens to be when electricity is off-peak).

Sounds like you, just like everyone else, have decided what balance between comfort and environmental impact you’re willing to trade off for.

Everything you described still has a negative environmental impact.

Some people pat themselves on the back for driving an electric car to work.

In reality, my gas guzzling 8 mpg 69 Mustang with zero emissions control probably has less impact just because I only have a 1 mile commute.

Living very close to work and driving a very old car could be way better than buying a new one with a typical 30 mile commute. Just the purchase/construction of the vehicle has a huge negative impact.

But I ain’t gonna brag about it.

 

[Jeff-NoVA]

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us...fornia-2035-electric-vehicle-plan-2025-05-01/

Even though I drive an EV, I don't think this silly California law would ever become reality.

Can you say "not enough public chargers" in the state ?

Meaningless vote won't change anything. Better brush up on Schoolhouse Rock!

 

[ChasingCoral]

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us...fornia-2035-electric-vehicle-plan-2025-05-01/

Even though I drive an EV, I don't think this silly California law would ever become reality.

Can you say "not enough public chargers" in the state ?

It's another classic case of the Republicans claiming to be all about state rights until they don't like something.

 

[devmach-e]

Sounds like you, just like everyone else, have decided what balance between comfort and environmental impact you’re willing to trade off for.

Everything you described still has a negative environmental impact.

Some people pat themselves on the back for driving an electric car to work.

In reality, my gas guzzling 8 mpg 69 Mustang with zero emissions control probably has less impact just because I only have a 1 mile commute.

Living very close to work and driving a very old car could be way better than buying a new one with a typical 30 mile commute. Just the purchase/construction of the vehicle has a huge negative impact.

But I ain’t gonna brag about it.

Nobody is arguing that driving an existing functional car is less harmful than buying a new one. At least from the standpoint of the extra emissions required to make the new more fuel efficient vehicle. Well, up to a point, anyways. The operational emissions over the lifetime of the vehicles needs to be taken into account. Driving a gas-guzzling carburetor fed car 1 mile is possibly the worst thing emission wise you can do. Engine runs very rich and never warms up. Way worse than the modern car driven 30 miles. Got a one mile commute? Ride a bike or walk. That'll be way less impactful to the environment. Even if you have to eat a steak when you come home.

 

[devmach-e]

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us...fornia-2035-electric-vehicle-plan-2025-05-01/

Even though I drive an EV, I don't think this silly California law would ever become reality.

Can you say "not enough public chargers" in the state ?

So, first of all, it isn't a new law in California. It's a proposed regulation change that is authorized by a couple of federal laws and California law. Second of all, there's 10 years to roll out more public chargers by the initial deadline that has been proposed.

There's some 32 million light cars and trucks on the road in California. Annual sales are about 1.85M a year. It is going to take a while before all those ICE vehicles are replaced. The charging infrastructure, and electrical grid, have plenty of time to adapt and expand. Personally I see the deadline being pushed to 2040. I don't see enough diversity of models and price points happening in the next 10 years to achieve the 2035 goal.

 

[Space_Pony]

Is California planning to ground all jets/planes that are not electric powered in 2035? Airports are major offender of emissions release. I assume that nobody here that comments about emissions has been on a jet. Shut the airports down.

 

[Mach1E]

Nobody is arguing that driving an existing functional car is less harmful than buying a new one. At least from the standpoint of the extra emissions required to make the new more fuel efficient vehicle. Well, up to a point, anyways. The operational emissions over the lifetime of the vehicles needs to be taken into account. Driving a gas-guzzling carburetor fed car 1 mile is possibly the worst thing emission wise you can do. Engine runs very rich and never warms up. Way worse than the modern car driven 30 miles. Got a one mile commute? Ride a bike or walk. That'll be way less impactful to the environment. Even if you have to eat a steak when you come home.

That wasn’t my point.

It was more about not bragging about environmental impact. Because exactly like you pointed out, there is always more that you can do. Walk? Sure! But walking barefoot is even better!

Walking barefoot not enough? Quit your job and they don’t need the building!

Until we are living naked in the woods and living off only resources we replenish ourselves…… nothing to brag about.

I’m sure someone curious could check that math though. Carbon footprint of a 69 Mustang driven a mile vs a modern vehicle. Sure it’s definitely worse. But more than 3000% worse?

Either way, I’m still going to drive it on Fridays. 2 miles a week. I think the earth will survive.

 

[devmach-e]

Is California planning to ground all jets/planes that are not electric powered in 2035? Airports are major offender of emissions release. I assume that nobody here that comments about emissions has been on a jet. Shut the airports down.

California is merely trying to sunset the sales of new ICE powered vehicles. Existing ICE powered vehicles will remain drivable for the foreseeable future (i.e the next 30 or 40 years).

 

[Mach1E]

California is merely trying to sunset the sales of new ICE powered vehicles. Existing ICE powered vehicles will remain drivable for the foreseeable future (i.e the next 30 or 40 years).

I like how you say “merely,” so casually. It’s a huge deal.

I just don’t see this as being feasible in this short of a time frame.

 

[Jimrpa]

Is California planning to ground all jets/planes that are not electric powered in 2035? Airports are major offender of emissions release. I assume that nobody here that comments about emissions has been on a jet. Shut the airports down.

I would be interested in seeing the data behind that? Particularly on a per passenger basis for commercial aviation.

 

[Mach1E]

I would be interested in seeing the data behind that? Particularly on a per passenger basis for commercial aviation.

It’s not good:

Flying is the worst offender. You’re better off driving.

But of course “not traveling” is best. But what fun is that?

 

[Jimrpa]

It’s not good:

Flying is the worst offender. You’re better off driving.

But of course “not traveling” is best. But what fun is that?

Cool! Thanks for the info. Of courses since I’m single, I’m in the 1 passenger car row

 

[Sikkun]

Cool! Thanks for the info. Of courses since I’m single, I’m in the 1 passenger car row

Chart is forgetting that the flight is also carrying a lot more than people. All the packages, mail, cargo, etc. that would have to be transferred by semi (which is apparently not considered “transport” by them).

 

[Space_Pony]

The planet would be better off if we all just killed ourselves. The logical choice.

Did I hear a volunteer?

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