Can't deal with the bouncy ride anymore after two weeks with the Mach-E. What do I do?

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Everything is a compromise.
Except that a poorly-calibrated suspension is poorly-calibrated independent of some imaginary continuum between comfort and harshness. If all the engineers needed to do was pick a point on a spectrum, we wouldn't be having this 43-page conversation.
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Except that a poorly-calibrated suspension is poorly-calibrated independent of some imaginary continuum between comfort and harshness. If all the engineers needed to do was pick a point on a spectrum, we wouldn't be having this 43-page conversation.
I think we have this 43 page conversation because they picked the “wrong” point on the spectrum. And maybe multiple wrong points.

If I had to guess, it would seem both springs and shocks are too soft which would create a bouncy ride. I think keeping the stock springs but upgrading the shocks could give a nice balance between ride comfort and bounce. But someone has to be the first Guinea pig to try it out.
 

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I think we have this 43 page conversation because they picked the “wrong” point on the spectrum. And maybe multiple wrong points.

If I had to guess, it would seem both springs and shocks are too soft which would create a bouncy ride. I think keeping the stock springs but upgrading the shocks could give a nice balance between ride comfort and bounce. But someone has to be the first Guinea pig to try it out.
Yes, multiple wrong points is the better perspective, I think. You've got at least an X-Y plot of variables if not 3 or more dimensions. Stiffness and damping are not the same thing, for example. Shock valving can be linear, progressive, or digressive. Weight and suspension geometry present their own variables. So once geometry and weight are relatively set, the engineers had some parameters defined, but the decisions that followed weren't the best.
 

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Say I want to switch from Premium SR springs to GT springs but don't want to lose any ride height or have to do an alignment. Is there a way I can add a half inch spacer to the GT springs?
To add to this, has anyone tried the ER springs in the SR?
 

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Really wish I would have seen this forum before I bought my new Mach e last Friday. I have never gotten carsick in my life… Until this damn car! I just had the dealer come and pick it up from my house because I was too sick to even drive it to them. I really hope they are able to help me figure out how to make this car ride better or let me return it and give me back my trade in.
 


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Really wish I would have seen this forum before I bought my new Mach e last Friday. I have never gotten carsick in my life… Until this damn car! I just had the dealer come and pick it up from my house because I was too sick to even drive it to them. I really hope they are able to help me figure out how to make this car ride better or let me return it and give me back my trade in.
You bought it without a test driving it first? Is it new, from someone's refused order?

What cars did you have before?
 

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I live in south Florida and there is this stretch of i95 (southbound) from boca raton to Fort Lauderdale where the bumps are spaced in such a way where you think the car is going to kill you. The faster you are going to more dangerous it feels and at one point I think it got so out of control I think I hit the bump stops. It reminded me of some of the worst turbulence I have experienced on commercial flights and the last dip I felt was so violent I thought I was lucky to get away without some kind of injury.

It’s definitely the rear suspension that has the issue. You can see the rear of the car hopping all over the place when you follow it in another vehicle

This thanksgiving weekend I drove the car to miami and this time I took the turnpike. Much smoother and the bumps aren’t spaced to maximize the oscillations. The car drove fine and i can see why so many people think we are nuts and insist their car is fine.

so what went wrong and how does a car company with 100+ years of manufacturing screw up so badly? I think it comes down to the sheer mass of the vehicle, and also having to accommodate a variety of different size and weight battery packs.

I think Ford will eventually sort this out and if they don’t the aftermarket will. I also own a Tesla model y and it also has suspension issues. That car is just too stiff but the springs and shocks are well matched and there is no bouncing. Tesla still hasn’t fixed the suspension of the model Y but the aftermarket has and there are all kinds of suspension options available for people willing to shell out 2-3 grand.
 

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Eibach looks to be making a pro kit spring set for the car. Progressive springs might help.
"EV Lowering Springs Eibach" https://ev-mods.com/products/mustang-mach-e-lowering-springs-eibach-pro-kit
the problem I have with lowering springs is they reduce the travel of the suspension which I think is going to exacerbate the problem. Already I think the reason the MME doesn’t ride properly is because the suspension engineers didn’t have enough suspension travel to work with. Taking away an inch or more of movement….I think it will just make everything much worse
 

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Is it in all driving modes? I’ve read somewhere on this forum of owners having motion sickness due to one pedal mode feathering in regen in a way that maybe could be the same as what you’re experiencing? They turned it off
I was wondering the same thing but instead of one pedal driving (which I don't do) I feel the bounciness is more pronounced in Whisper and Engaged mode. In Unbridled mode the suspension feels stiffer and I don't feel as much bounciness. This could just be in my mind but my wife agrees. I have always driven in Unbridled mode but set it to Engaged Mode and she complained about the cars bounciness and asked me to return it to Unbridled. Has anybody else noticed this or is it all in my mind?
 

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I was wondering the same thing but instead of one pedal driving (which I don't do) I feel the bounciness is more pronounced in Whisper and Engaged mode. In Unbridled mode the suspension feels stiffer and I don't feel as much bounciness. This could just be in my mind but my wife agrees. I have always driven in Unbridled mode but set it to Engaged Mode and she complained about the cars bounciness and asked me to return it to Unbridled. Has anybody else noticed this or is it all in my mind?
Only the GTPE has a suspension that is adjusted with modes. All other models use a pure mechanical suspension.
 

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Only the GTPE has a suspension that is adjusted with modes. All other models use a pure mechanical suspension.
Just in my mind then but my mind tells me it’s better in Unbridled so I’ll go with it. ?
 

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the problem I have with lowering springs is they reduce the travel of the suspension which I think is going to exacerbate the problem. Already I think the reason the MME doesn’t ride properly is because the suspension engineers didn’t have enough suspension travel to work with. Taking away an inch or more of movement….I think it will just make everything much worse
I've had several sets of coilovers with significantly less travel than the stock shocks and they rode better than stock. Granted, I specifically paired spring rates and went with a higher volume shock body to have more fluid to reduce heat but from my perspective the dampening is the problem but if you have progressive springs that reduce the rate for the first little bit of travel it might help prevent the bouncing.

I'm fairly confident we'll start seeing some decent aftermarket solutions soon.
 

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I live in south Florida and there is this stretch of i95 (southbound) from boca raton to Fort Lauderdale where the bumps are spaced in such a way where you think the car is going to kill you. The faster you are going to more dangerous it feels and at one point I think it got so out of control I think I hit the bump stops. It reminded me of some of the worst turbulence I have experienced on commercial flights and the last dip I felt was so violent I thought I was lucky to get away without some kind of injury.

It’s definitely the rear suspension that has the issue. You can see the rear of the car hopping all over the place when you follow it in another vehicle

This thanksgiving weekend I drove the car to miami and this time I took the turnpike. Much smoother and the bumps aren’t spaced to maximize the oscillations. The car drove fine and i can see why so many people think we are nuts and insist their car is fine.

so what went wrong and how does a car company with 100+ years of manufacturing screw up so badly? I think it comes down to the sheer mass of the vehicle, and also having to accommodate a variety of different size and weight battery packs.

I think Ford will eventually sort this out and if they don’t the aftermarket will. I also own a Tesla model y and it also has suspension issues. That car is just too stiff but the springs and shocks are well matched and there is no bouncing. Tesla still hasn’t fixed the suspension of the model Y but the aftermarket has and there are all kinds of suspension options available for people willing to shell out 2-3 grand.
My wife and I definitely notice the bounciness in our GT on certain sections of freeway with expansion joints such as trestles or bridges. It's a weird combination of speed and spacing that causes the rear to bounce around. It's not the worst thing in the world but I'm definitely a lot more sympathetic now towards the crowd who initially reported this.
 

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Is this mostly a problem with the standard battery or the extended range battery? That's probably a difference of 400 pounds or so, mostly in the rear, so is like having three more people in the car.

Could be useful info to Ford or Eibach or anyone with a financial interest in fixing this. Plus it could impact what I order. ;)
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