ChargePoint Home Flex Level 2 charger in stock at SRP

[SnBGC]

Thanks for that info. I live in a condo that I own and the garage is adjacent to the laundry room, which is where the breaker box is located. What I don't know is the rating of the electrical service feeding the breaker box. I believe that is what will dictate my options. The condo is two years old and I'm not sure if building codes establish the minimum electrical service that must be provided or if it's whatever the builder decides based on demand calculated at the time of construction. The idea of hardwiring the charging station is desirable but if something were to go wrong with it, having the option to plug-in the portable charging station would be very helpful.

There is a label inside the panel. If you post a photo we can help. If you plan your install with a J-box then you can have both a hard wire and plug option for just in case.

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[RonOinAZ]

There is a label inside the panel. If you post a photo we can help. If you plan your install with a J-box then you can have both a hard wire and plug option for just in case.

That could be the ideal arrangement.
Is this the part of the label you're referring to? The only other written info I see is each breaker's assignment.

 

[SnBGC]

That could be the ideal arrangement.
Is this the part of the label you're referring to? The only other written info I see is each breaker's assignment.

Need a bit more into. Can you get a photo of the breakers (including the mains) and another photo of the inside of the door. That is the most common label placement.

 

[RonOinAZ]

Need a bit more into. Can you get a photo of the breakers (including the mains) and another photo of the inside of the door. That is the most common label placement.

Hopefully these are clear enough to make out.
There is a main breaker outside that kills power to the unit when switched off.

 

[RonOinAZ]

Here's the breaker located outside at the electrical service...

 

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The CP HF is 48A capable while the JB comes as 32A or 40A.

Isn't there a JuiceBox 48 out there? Or is it just vaporware?

 

[macchiaz-o]

Here's the breaker located outside at the electrical service...

This main breaker tells us you have 125 ampere (A or "amp") service into your home. The other photo you shared is your load center, which contains all the various circuits that branch off of this 125A main to feed into your outlets and appliances.

That's all well and good... Everything looks fine from here. Your next step is to call some electricians to get quotes, explaining that you'd like a 14-50 receptacle installed into a new 50A circuit, so that you're ready to charge an electric vehicle when it arrives.

The electrician will checkout your location, existing wiring, and may ask you some questions so that he or she can do a load calculation (probably in their head, it will be quick and easy for most of them). This will determine the safest charge rate your home can handle with your existing overall electrical load.

You'll be able to use that outlet with the mobile charger included with the vehicle, recovering about 20 miles of range per hour of recharge. That's more than enough for most people since most of us have it charging while we sleep.

This would also enable you to plug in a 3rd party charger like the ChargePoint being offered through SRP Marketplace... But just be aware that depending on your 3rd party choice, you may want an electrician to come back out to change the receptacle to one that's compatible. The parts needed to do that swap out are very inexpensive and it's something an electrician can do quite quickly and easily, so the labor should also be inexpensive.

 

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For those that hire an electrician to hardwire in then they could probably talk them into installing a back up outlet just in case. I think it is legal to have multiple outlets on a single circuit.....not sure about that though. Sounds reasonable to me.

I'm assuming that it's legal to install multiple outlets on a single circuit. After all, circuit sharing is a big selling point of Pulsar Wallboxes. But I/m not too sure about installing a 14-50 outlet on the 60A breaker. Pretty sure, I saw someone claiming that would be a code violation.

 

[BMT1071]

This main breaker tells us you have 125 ampere (A or "amp") service into your home. The other photo you shared is your load center, which contains all the various circuits that branch off of this 125A main to feed into your outlets and appliances.

That's all well and good... Everything looks fine from here. Your next step is to call some electricians to get quotes, explaining that you'd like a 14-50 receptacle installed into a new 50A circuit, so that you're ready to charge an electric vehicle when it arrives.

The electrician will checkout your location, existing wiring, and may ask you some questions so that he or she can do a load calculation (probably in their head, it will be quick and easy for most of them). This will determine the safest charge rate your home can handle with your existing overall electrical load.

You'll be able to use that outlet with the mobile charger included with the vehicle, recovering about 20 miles of range per hour of recharge. That's more than enough for most people since most of us have it charging while we sleep.

This would also enable you to plug in a 3rd party charger like the ChargePoint being offered through SRP Marketplace... But just be aware that depending on your 3rd party choice, you may want an electrician to come back out to change the receptacle to one that's compatible. The parts needed to do that swap out are very inexpensive and it's something an electrician can do quite quickly and easily, so the labor should also be inexpensive.

The other consideration that hasn't been mentioned is the robustness of the Ford charger in the heat of PHX. Based on that I consider it a back up for home use.

 

[SnBGC]

Isn't there a JuiceBox 48 out there? Or is it just vaporware?

Not sure. Never seen one but it could be a new offering. Wallbox just released their 48A so they all are working on it. I think only the 32A or 40A is available on SRP's Marketplace

 

[SnBGC]

Here's the breaker located outside at the electrical service...

This helps. 125A panel most likely rules out a hard wired 48A unit. Would need a load study to know for sure. The 40A Juice Box would be a good candidate for your service panel in my opinion. I am not certain but I believe JB offers circuit share so if you get another EV in the future then you can add onto that same line. Wallbox does the same and has additional features that allows charge scheduling for solar systems which is useful for some owners

I think ChargePoint Home Flex is a great unit and well designed but the JuiceBox performs very well also. Can't go wrong with either unit. Wallbox is also a great choice as long as you install it someplace where it doesn't have direct sun exposure. The FoMoCo mobile unit will likely Overheat and derate itself in your garage even while charging overnight. Still works though....just a bit slower.

If the JuiceBox 40 is available then it might be your best choice all things considered.

 

[macchiaz-o]

The other consideration that hasn't been mentioned is the robustness of the Ford charger in the heat of PHX. Based on that I consider it a back up for home use.

The FoMoCo mobile unit will likely Overheat and derate itself in your garage even while charging overnight. Still works though....just a bit slower.

Yeah that's a good point. I put in a different charger (Ford Connected Charge Station) as soon as I noticed that the Ford Mobile Charger was slowing itself down due to overheating back in May.

 

[RonOinAZ]

This main breaker tells us you have 125 ampere (A or "amp") service into your home. The other photo you shared is your load center, which contains all the various circuits that branch off of this 125A main to feed into your outlets and appliances.

That's all well and good... Everything looks fine from here. Your next step is to call some electricians to get quotes, explaining that you'd like a 14-50 receptacle installed into a new 50A circuit, so that you're ready to charge an electric vehicle when it arrives.

The electrician will checkout your location, existing wiring, and may ask you some questions so that he or she can do a load calculation (probably in their head, it will be quick and easy for most of them). This will determine the safest charge rate your home can handle with your existing overall electrical load.

You'll be able to use that outlet with the mobile charger included with the vehicle, recovering about 20 miles of range per hour of recharge. That's more than enough for most people since most of us have it charging while we sleep.

This would also enable you to plug in a 3rd party charger like the ChargePoint being offered through SRP Marketplace... But just be aware that depending on your 3rd party choice, you may want an electrician to come back out to change the receptacle to one that's compatible. The parts needed to do that swap out are very inexpensive and it's something an electrician can do quite quickly and easily, so the labor should also be inexpensive.

That's a mountain of useful information. Thank you! So you think it might be possible that my service may actually have the capacity to support an added 50A breaker for the charging station? That would be exceptional. It's not that I would normally need to charge the car on a high-current circuit since I don't leave the house every day but being able to charge the car quickly, if necessary, has a lot of appeal. It also adds value from a real estate perspective.

Thank you so much! Now that the 2021 I ordered is scheduled, I'll go ahead and select an electrician. I also ordered a 2022 MME because I'm not sure I want to buy a 2021 car in 2022 when I could get a 2022. Either way, the garage will be wired and ready to go. Thanks again to everybody in this thread.

 

[RonOinAZ]

This helps. 125A panel most likely rules out a hard wired 48A unit. Would need a load study to know for sure. The 40A Juice Box would be a good candidate for your service panel in my opinion. I am not certain but I believe JB offers circuit share so if you get another EV in the future then you can add onto that same line. Wallbox does the same and has additional features that allows charge scheduling for solar systems which is useful for some owners

I think ChargePoint Home Flex is a great unit and well designed but the JuiceBox performs very well also. Can't go wrong with either unit. Wallbox is also a great choice as long as you install it someplace where it doesn't have direct sun exposure. The FoMoCo mobile unit will likely Overheat and derate itself in your garage even while charging overnight. Still works though....just a bit slower.

If the JuiceBox 40 is available then it might be your best choice all things considered.

I had my eye on the 40A JuiceBox and noticed about a week ago that it was no longer in stock at SRP Marketplace. I'm going to have an electrician get the wiring done and maybe by the time I have the MME, I'll be able to get the charging station.

I have no idea how electrical loads are calculated so I'll follow the guidance of the electrician.

Thank you for taking the time to look at this stuff. I appreciate it very much!

 

[macchiaz-o]

So you think it might be possible that my service may actually have the capacity to support an added 50A breaker for the charging station?

Yes, it's possible... but see below ...

I have no idea how electrical loads are calculated so I'll follow the guidance of the electrician.

Me, either. Yes, follow the guidance of your electrician.

Over here on our list of instructional materials, we have a link to Ford's two-page document with details that can help answer electrician's questions. I'd recommend printing it out to give you and your electrician confidence with regards to what type of installation is needed.

The doc also has advice on where to locate the new receptacle. For convenience it's nice to have it somewhere near the driver door area, since the charge port is close to there. But your receptacle installation cost goes up as you increase distance from the circuit breaker panel, because wires, conduit, and the expertise of an electrician to install them are expensive. So you'll decide for yourself what's the best balance of cost and convenience and your electrician might be able to give you multiple options if you need them.

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