Difference Between CCS and CHAdeMO Chargers

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I am looking at an Electrify America charging point at a Meijer in Aurora IL and it has four charge stations that say they're CCS and CHAdeMO (also Level 2); what are the differences? Which one would I use? I found these half way to my daughter's house in Sycamore IL which will be where I charge until Sycamore or DeKalb (or the De Kalb Oasis on I-88) gets DC chargers. My wife often meets my daughter at one exit away from these chargers so it will be easy for her when they switch my granddaughter too.
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CCS and CHAdeMO are different connectors. Mach-E has a CCS port, so that's the one you use.

EA only builds 1 station per location as CCS + CHAdeMO, the rest have two CCS handles. As a good EV citizen, please only use the CCS handle at the station with the CHAdeMO handle as a last resort.
 
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CCS and CHAdeMO are different connectors. Mach-E has a CCS port, so that's the one you use.

EA only builds 1 station per location as CCS + CHAdeMO, the rest have two CCS handles. As a good EV citizen, please only use the CCS handle at the station with the CHAdeMO handle as a last resort.
Thank you for the protocol and explaining the charging etiquette. It says out of four chargers, three are working. I don't have my MME yet (June or July I hope) but my wife and I are going to stop by and look at them on the way up to my daughter's house tomorrow. I downloaded updated Electrify America app and entered my charge card and added an EA card to my wallet. Are these chargers Plug and Charge? It says to tap my iPhone against reader but if P&C works there would be no need to do that. Also is EA account where Ford puts our free charging time? BTW - who uses the CHAdeMO then?
 
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I believe the Nissan Leaf and Mitsubishi Outlander are the only vehicles still in production that use Chademo. It’s essentially a dead standard in the US.
Thank you. Do you know the answer to my other questions? (see post #3)
 


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Thank you. Do you know the answer to my other questions? (see post #3)
Yes, these Electrify America stations support Plug and Charge. Assuming all the bugs are worked out, that will be through your FordPass account and that’s where your 250kWh of free charging will be.
 
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Yes, these Electrify America stations support Plug and Charge. Assuming all the bugs are worked out, that will be through your FordPass account and that’s where your 250kWh of free charging will be.
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Thank you for the protocol and explaining the charging etiquette. It says out of four chargers, three are working. I don't have my MME yet (June or July I hope) but my wife and I are going to stop by and look at them on the way up to my daughter's house tomorrow. I downloaded updated Electrify America app and entered my charge card and added an EA card to my wallet. Are these chargers Plug and Go? It says to tap my iPhone against reader but if P&G works there would be no need to do that. Also is EA account where Ford puts our free charging time? BTW - who uses the CHAdeMO then?
You should not technically need the Electrify America app or an Electrify America account at all if you have activated the FordPass Charging Network at ford.com/connectedservices and have enabled Plug&Charge in FordPass itself. If you've done that, you can just plug the car in, it will authenticate automatically with Ford's servers, and Ford will bill you. Even if you don't enable Plug&Charge, you can still use the FordPass app to initiate charging manually, assuming you have activated the account at ford.com/connectedservices.

Ford's 250 (now 500) kWh bundle is totally independent of any Electrify America account - it is a credit placed in your FordPass Charging Network account through Ford.

The CHAdeMO connector is used by the Leaf and Tesla vehicles with their adapter, most commonly.
 
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You should not technically need the Electrify America app or an Electrify America account at all if you have activated the FordPass Charging Network at ford.com/connectedservices and have enabled Plug&Charge in FordPass itself. If you've done that, you can just plug the car in, it will authenticate automatically with Ford's servers, and Ford will bill you. Even if you don't enable Plug&Charge, you can still use the FordPass app to initiate charging manually, assuming you have activated the account at ford.com/connectedservices.

Ford's 250 (now 500) kWh bundle is totally independent of any Electrify America account - it is a credit placed in your FordPass Charging Network account through Ford.

The CHAdeMO connector is used by the Leaf and Tesla vehicles with their adapter, most commonly.
Will the EA account conflict with the Ford Pass account? Can't I have both on my iPhone ? I have ChargePoint and Plug Share (that may not be a charging program) on it also. With all the problems with the Ford Pass app I just thought it safer to have more choices (and this particular charge station is owned by EA).
 

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Will the EA account conflict with the Ford Pass account? Can't I have both on my iPhone ? I have ChargePoint and Plug Share (that may not be a charging program) on it also. With all the problems with the Ford Pass app I just thought it safer to have more choices (and this particular charge station is owned by EA).
No, they don't conflict. There's nothing wrong with having both accounts.

My comment was just that if you have activated your FordPass Charging Network trial, you won't get a chance to use that EA account, because the vehicle will immediately Plug&Charge upon being plugged in to an EA station using the FordPass account.

If you don't plan to use EA often, the ease of Plug&Charge, not to mention the complimentary 250 (or 500) kWh of free charging make signing up for your FordPass Charging Network trial worth doing and ignoring the EA app and account.

If you plan to use EA often, it actually makes more sense to have an EA account and sign up for their $4/month "Pass+" membership plan, which lowers the price significantly, from $0.43/kWh to $0.31/kWh. But just note that that Pass+ price is incompatible with Plug&Charge, so you will need to disable Plug&Charge in FordPass if you want to use it, otherwise when you plug in, it will just immediately Plug&Charge.
 
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No, they don't conflict. There's nothing wrong with having both accounts.

My comment was just that if you have activated your FordPass Charging Network trial, you won't get a chance to use that EA account, because the vehicle will immediately Plug&Charge upon being plugged in to an EA station using the FordPass account.

If you don't plan to use EA often, the ease of Plug&Charge, not to mention the complimentary 250 (or 500) kWh of free charging make signing up for your FordPass Charging Network trial worth doing and ignoring the EA app and account.

If you plan to use EA often, it actually makes more sense to have an EA account and sign up for their $4/month "Pass+" membership plan, which lowers the price significantly, from $0.43/kWh to $0.31/kWh. But just note that that Pass+ price is incompatible with Plug&Charge, so you will need to disable Plug&Charge in FordPass if you want to use it, otherwise when you plug in, it will just immediately Plug&Charge.
OK, Ford Pass will be my first choice unless it f#*ks up, then I'll go to one of the others. Right now I'm on the free EA account because I don't want to pay $4 a month. I know rates would be cheaper but I don't think I'll use many commercial chargers as 95% of the MME use will be around home within a 50 mile radius (most days a 15-20 mile radius). The only certain time I'll use a commercial charger is when we go up to my daughter's house in Sycamore IL. For trips to Florida to see my other daughter, my ICE Acura MDX will be put in use.
 

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OK, Ford Pass will be my first choice unless it f#*ks up, then I'll go to one of the others. Right now I'm on the free EA account because I don't want to pay $4 a month.
Almost guaranteed it will be f#*ks up. Seems like P&C works maybe 25% of the time. If you're just experimenting, turn off P&C, pull into the EA charger (a 350 kW if available), use the EA app with your free membership, find your charger, swipe to initiate charging, and then plug in.
 

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No, they don't conflict. There's nothing wrong with having both accounts.

My comment was just that if you have activated your FordPass Charging Network trial, you won't get a chance to use that EA account, because the vehicle will immediately Plug&Charge upon being plugged in to an EA station using the FordPass account.

If you don't plan to use EA often, the ease of Plug&Charge, not to mention the complimentary 250 (or 500) kWh of free charging make signing up for your FordPass Charging Network trial worth doing and ignoring the EA app and account.

If you plan to use EA often, it actually makes more sense to have an EA account and sign up for their $4/month "Pass+" membership plan, which lowers the price significantly, from $0.43/kWh to $0.31/kWh. But just note that that Pass+ price is incompatible with Plug&Charge, so you will need to disable Plug&Charge in FordPass if you want to use it, otherwise when you plug in, it will just immediately Plug&Charge.
Have you personally tested this? According to this guy, FordPass Plug & Charge is a disaster. It didn’t work and, even when he switched to the EA app he had to uninstall FordPass to keep it from disrupting the charge session.

https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...ions-planning-charging-stops.4069/post-125207

I’d be interested to know if P&C has actually worked well for others.
 

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Have you personally tested this? According to this guy, FordPass Plug & Charge is a disaster. It didn’t work and, even when he switched to the EA app he had to uninstall FordPass to keep it from disrupting the charge session.

https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...ions-planning-charging-stops.4069/post-125207

I’d be interested to know if P&C has actually worked well for others.
FordPass Plug&Charge has a 100% success rate for me.

I have also had a 100% success rate with using FordPass to activate non Plug&Charge but in-network chargers.

As for uninstalling FordPass, all that should have been needed was toggling Plug&Charge off inside FordPass. Do that and you can use any payment method or the EA app and FordPass won't intervene.
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