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I think the Lightning with the big battery would win in the quarter mile because of the 5 second max duration limit.
A mid 4 second 0-60 and the aerodynamics of a truck ain’t running a low 12 1/4 mile.

I’m guessing low 13. Which is still very fast for a truck.

It’s also possible the Lightning has the same restrictions.
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A lithium-ion battery that is in poor health can burst into flames. This isn't just an issue of range loss. Chevrolet has had to deal with this very recently and they are still replacing battery packs and they still haven't started manufacturing the Bolt again.

I did not mean the car would instantaneously burst into flame at that very moment. However, in extreme cases even that is possible when a battery is at a very high state of charge, but Ford has placed limits to prevent this from happening.

There is an issue or Ford would not have placed a limit on full power and a mode to help manage the problem (Unbridled Extend). Why would Ford want to increase their risks for the ego of a few customers which might lead to even more negative media. There will be a different battery pack in the future.
Speculation.

Lots of BEVs use lithium batteries.

Only one spontaneously combusts.

Please stop spreading unsubstantiated rumors.
 

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A mid 4 second 0-60 and the aerodynamics of a truck ain’t running a low 12 1/4 mile.

I’m guessing low 13. Which is still very fast for a truck.

It’s also possible the Lightning has the same restrictions.
Power restrictions on a vehicle intended to pull loads would go over like a fart in a space capsule. Might as well not even try to sell it. Rivan and Tesla would be laughing all the way to the bank.
 

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Speculation.

Lots of BEVs use lithium batteries.

Only one spontaneously combusts.

Please stop spreading unsubstantiated rumors.
So, you don't believe a lithium-ion battery in poor health can burst into flames? You better rethink that.
 

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Power restrictions on a vehicle intended to pull loads would go over like a fart in a space capsule. Might as well not even try to sell it. Rivan and Tesla would be laughing all the way to the bank.
If you plan on pulling loads at full throttle…….

We don’t know what restrictions the Lightning will or won’t have. Ford didn’t exactly tell us up front about the 5 seconds.
 

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So, you don't believe a lithium-ion battery in poor health can burst into flames? You better rethink that.
I don’t believe Mach Es burst into flames.

Again, stop trying to spread unsubstantiated rumors.

Might as well post about how some brake system on a 1987 whatever failed and use that as proof that we should be worried our brake systems may fail.
 

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If you plan on pulling loads at full throttle…….
That how it's done! Just like the Tesla semi that was ripping around Fremont. That thing can accelerate like a pickup truck.

The Rivan can do it.
 

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That how it's done! Just like the Tesla semi that was ripping around Fremont. That thing can accelerate like a pickup truck.

The Rivan can do it.
The Rivian uses lithium batteries too.
Aren’t you worried about them bursting into flames? 🤔
 

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The Rivian uses lithium batteries too.
Aren’t you worried about them bursting into flames? 🤔
A well engineered pack won't be any more dangerous than an ICE. It has been proven to me that they can be safe.

However, it has been proven that not every battery pack is safe. While I have no evidence that the Mach-e battery pack will result in car fires. I am certain that ANY battery pack will be a safety issue if pushed beyond its limits. The GTPE seems to me to provide evidence that limits have been placed for that reason. Also, the pack design is too similar to the Bolt battery pack for my liking as it has had pack fire issues and has had numerous performance constraints. This does not mean that the Mach-e will have battery pack fires. Maybe LG has fixed whatever detail there was. But pushing the design beyond its limits will be disastrous.
 
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A well engineered pack won't be any more dangerous than an ICE. It has been proven to me that they can be safe.

However, it has been proven that not every battery pack is safe. While I have no evidence that the Mach-e battery pack will result in car fires. I am certain that ANY battery pack will be a safety issue if pushed beyond its limits. The GTPE seems to me to provide evidence that limits have been placed for that reason. Also, the pack design is too similar to the Bolt battery pack for my liking as it has had pack fire issues and has had numerous performance constraints. This does not mean that the Mach-e will have battery pack fires. Maybe LG has fixed whatever detail there was. But pushing the design beyond its limits will be disastrous.
More speculation……

You are ASSUMING the limits were put in place because the pack is unsafe.

Currently we have almost a year of evidence of NO fires that should lead us to believe that whatever issues plague the Bolt don’t plague the Mach E.

You also have no clue what the design limits are (and neither do I).

But what is dangerous is spreading unsubstantiated rumors.


It’s like walking up to someone and asking them “how often do you beat your wife?” Because you read somewhere that some married men beat their wives.

Next time maybe wait for some actual evidence before spreading nasty rumors?
 

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While this is speculation, I bet there is an LG Chem RMS power spec on the battery pack in the Mache-e. You can increase peak power but the RMS power will be the same as the P4x. Thats why the power is high at first and then is reduced to something less than the P4x. If Ford increases the RMS power to something out of spec, LG Chem will not be responsible for any failures.

In fact RMS power (wattage) is measured by the temperature increase in a heat puck for some power instrumentation.
 

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My money says SA isn’t going to get more power out of it without Ford’s help, and that means the reg GTs will be turned loose as well.
Whether more power / longer power comes from Ford, BorgWarner, in house or somewhere else, my money says SA gets it right regardless of where the help comes from. I bet they already figured it out, but keeping the lid on things.
 

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Unlikely.

“The powertrain setup with the smaller pack is rated at 426 horsepower, while opting for the bigger pack increases the electric motors' total output to 563 horses. Every F-150 Lightning has a dual-motor, all-wheel-drive setup. Both configurations have 775 pound-feet of torque, 205 more than the F-150's new PowerBoost hybrid V-6. Ford says the F-150 Lightning will reach 60 mph in the mid-4.0-second range with the bigger pack.”

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/amp36433090/2022-ford-f-150-lightning-specs-revealed/
I'm willing to bet that the F-150's battery cooling will be beefy for towing purposes. Imagine having only 5 seconds of full torque in a work truck. F-150s are about to rip the Mach-Es 💩- hole wide open.
 

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I'm willing to bet that the F-150's battery cooling will be beefy for towing purposes. Imagine having only 5 seconds of full torque in a work truck. F-150s are about to rip the Mach-Es 💩- hole wide open.
Hopefully.

Although I can’t wait to see the GOM threads for “my Lightning is pulling a trailer in the winter.”

But either way, I’ve never “floored it” while towing something, let alone floored it for more than 5 seconds at a time.

But I also don’t live anywhere near a mountain. If you have to tow something up a mountain in the winter with a lightning…….. gonna need some serious power.
 
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