Edmunds Massive Charging Comparison - MME is second to last.

[silverelan]

Edmunds did a comprehensive charging speed test on dozens of EVs in the US market.

Out of 43 tested vehicles the MME 4X and GTPE came in #40 and #41, respectively. Only the Bolt EV and EUV were slower to add miles.

https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-charging.html

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[Pioneer74]

I'm not going to dispute the findings. Both my Mach-E and Lightning charge pretty slow. But without other information, this article doesn't mean much to me.

What hardware was it charged on?

Was it in a controlled environment or a public charger?

Was each vehicle tested on the exact same charger?

Were the batteries preconditioned to achieve optimal performance?

 

[Kachook]

I am proud to say that I own two of the worst five vehicles when it comes to charging speed. Oh well. Really doesn’t matter to me much since I charge at home. Still, it is useful to know. Thanks for posting.

 

[thekat03]

They did not bother test the Nissan Leaf, Nissan Ariya, Toyota bZ4X, Subaru Solterra, Lexus RZ, Hyundai Kona, Kia Niro, Volvo C40, or or Volvo XC40. I am positive 5 of those cars will be worse.

 

[GreaseMonkey]

Edmunds did a comprehensive charging speed test on dozens of EVs in the US market.

Out of 43 tested vehicles the MME 4X and GTPE came in #40 and #41, respectively. Only the Bolt EV and EUV were slower to add miles.

https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-charging.html

96 kW is spot on charging 20-80% on newer EAs. I prefer if we distinguish between speed of charging and efficiency. Can still comprehend the combo, but it's more meaningful to think of the two factors separately. Mach-E is not the slowest charging. It is less efficient (the least, perhaps?).

For all of those who say I don't care about efficiency, well, here's when you start caring.

 

[silverelan]

They did not bother test the Nissan Leaf, Nissan Ariya, Toyota bZ4X, Subaru Solterra, Lexus RZ, Hyundai Kona, Kia Niro, Volvo C40, or or Volvo XC40. I am positive 5 of those cars will be worse.

The Polestar SM and DM were both tested. The DM charges about 15% faster than the 4X. The Volvo X/C40 is on the same platform as the Polestar 2 and they all got recent OTAs to speed up their charging times with revised curves.

 

[thekat03]

The Polestar SM and DM were both tested. The DM charges about 15% faster than the 4X. The Volvo X/C40 is on the same platform as the Polestar 2 and they all got recent OTAs to speed up their charging times with revised curves.

Sure, but they get different efficiencies when driven, just as the CR1 had a different efficiency than the GT, hence the different ranking. They may add the same. Number of kW, but that doesn't mean they add the same number of miles, and these are comparing cars based on how long it took to add 100 miles.

 

[locks66]

Edmunds did a comprehensive charging speed test on dozens of EVs in the US market.

Out of 43 tested vehicles the MME 4X and GTPE came in #40 and #41, respectively. Only the Bolt EV and EUV were slower to add miles.

https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-charging.html

Anytime I think of replacing this car the biggest thing I've determined is I need faster charging. I get why they didn't push for the Kia and Hyundai level stuff. They played it close to the chest. As someone who has family 6 hours away and 1-2 charges as a result, a little bit faster would mean a lot to my life.

 

[silverelan]

45 mins to go 10% to 80% was on the slow side in 2019 when Ford revealed the specs. It’s way behind the times in 2023. Considering the range for the CART1, a half hour recharge time to 80% would put it among the fastest road trippers out there.

GT owners with just 230ish miles of 70mph range are painfully aware of the slower recharge time to gain back enough to make it to the next charger 75-100 miles down the road.

 

[Mirak]

Damn, I knew the Mach was bad, but I didn’t know it was this bad.

 

[GrantK]

I fast charge so seldom that I would be perfectly happy with a 50kw/h charge rate to be honest.

On the rare occasions when I do use a fast charger it is to ensure I get home, not to charge from 5-80%, so I still only plug in for 10 mins or so.

 

[JohnFoxeSheets]

I'm not going to dispute the findings. Both my Mach-E and Lightning charge pretty slow. But without other information, this article doesn't mean much to me.

What hardware was it charged on?

Was it in a controlled environment or a public charger?

Was each vehicle tested on the exact same charger?

Were the batteries preconditioned to achieve optimal performance?

I was wondering the same things.

96 kW is spot on charging 20-80% on newer EAs. I prefer if we distinguish between speed of charging and efficiency. Can still comprehend the combo, but it's more meaningful to think of the two factors separately. Mach-E is not the slowest charging. It is less efficient (the least, perhaps?).

For all of those who say I don't care about efficiency, well, here's when you start caring.

I agree that kWh rates and mileage efficiency should be listed separately. I've never liked miles/hour as a measure of charging speed because it includes too many variables. Heck, even kWh rates include a lot of variable (temperature, start/end battery percentages, pre-conditioning, etc.). And let's not forget the a crap ton of time can be wasted finding a tower that's working and compatible with your car. So once again even kWh rates don't tell the whole story.

 

[lwilliams0514]

Edmunds did a comprehensive charging speed test on dozens of EVs in the US market.

Out of 43 tested vehicles the MME 4X and GTPE came in #40 and #41, respectively. Only the Bolt EV and EUV were slower to add miles.

https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-charging.html

Most of those cars ahead of the MME are higher than 150kw. Of course they would be faster. Guys it’s not that bad. I commute 56 miles one way 5 days a week and only charge at home overnight. By the time my off day arrives my SoC is at like 30% and the car can charge my first off day all day.
It’s really not bad. But think we get envious/jealous of other vehicles but few other options at this price range has everything the MME has. I hate when we nit pick the MME. just like ICE cars they all have their advantages and disadvantages

 

[Mach-Lee]

I like this test because it looks at the AVERAGE charging power from 10-80%. So it's a measure of the whole charging curve, not just the peak part. I like the attempt at standardizing charging speed data.

I'm also a fan of MPH charging rate because it accounts for the efficiency of the vehicle. A less efficient vehicle needs to charge faster to be done in the same timeframe as a more efficient vehicle. And since charging time is all about adding range, the faster you can add miles, the shorter you need to be at the charger. Making a vehicle more efficient is an often forgotten strategy to increase effective charging speed.

As a whole, this does reflect on the Mach-E's slower charging curve. Average Mach-E charge power was only 96 kW, second slowest behind the Bolt. All the other EVs had averages above 100 kW. The Rivians also did not do well, mainly because they are not very efficient.

 

[Guss-E 2021]

Anytime I think of replacing this car the biggest thing I've determined is I need faster charging. I get why they didn't push for the Kia and Hyundai level stuff. They played it close to the chest. As someone who has family 6 hours away and 1-2 charges as a result, a little bit faster would mean a lot to my life.

And that's just it. For me, personally, I just don't need the car to charge that fast. In my 17 months of ownership, I've only used public DCFC a handful of times. I only ever seem to charge between 50 - 80 kW (Chargepoint, EA) but that has been fast enough in each situation.

Has Ford at all discussed changes to charging speed for future models?

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