Electrify America just screwed me...now I’m waiting for a tow.

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Every gas station credit card reader is outside. I've never had a problem with one.
Gas stations are almost always under a canopy. Plus the CC reader in a gas pump is much different than the CC readers on the EA stations. Gas pumps basically just have a Mag Stripe reader. While EA stations have a full Credit card terminal bolted on to the outside of the unit.
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I wonder --- will there ever be "attendants" at these charging banks? Maybe 8-16 banks may have enough business to justify someone with knowledge to be on hand to help.
 

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To be fair to OP, I do think it’s unacceptable for something like this to happen. I think for EVs to be accepted by all, these sorts of issues need to go away.

Do EA stations prominently display a phone number for someone to call if things aren’t working? I assume so, but if not, I think that’s an easy change to make while these sorts of issues are worked out.

Agree though that the easiest solution is to find a plug somewhere and just use the 110v charger if really about to get stuck - that is in the end sort of the point of having the on board mobile charger.

There are plenty of people that start to get antsy about range in their gas cars when their tank falls to 1/4, I don’t think asking people driving past 0 is a reasonable solution for many, too nerve-racking, especially for people not on car forums or ‘car enthusiasts’.
 

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I know EA sucks in some states, but 6 bays and not working? Sounds more like either an issue with the car or user error.
Not necessarily. I recently travelled from Joplin, MO to Dallas and had a similar issue. I stopped at a station in McAlester, OK and there were six chargers there and none of them were working. The chargers are owned operated by Francis Energy, not EA. I called the Francis tech support and they were unable to get them working. Luckily, I had enough charge to get to Durant, where I was able to charge at a Francis Energy station, so I know it wasn't a car or user issue in McAlester.
 

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Do EA stations prominently display a phone number for someone to call if things aren’t working? I assume so, but if not, I think that’s an easy change to make while these sorts of issues are worked out.
Every station i've been to has the customer support number right on the station by the credit card reader. Plus there is the option in the app as well. I've actually had times where I just submitted a report of a charger not working, and someone at EA called me to ask if I needed help.
 


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EA's number is prominent on all chargers. That said, on a trip in September, we were on hold at one point for over 10 minutes, finally gave up and used a credit card.

Both times we've given up and used credit cards we've been charged $50 (not a hold, a charge), then a few days later they credit the $50, and in both cases never charged us for the charges.

I will say that in our 20 or so charging sessions, EA's chargers have not worked properly maybe 1/3 of the time. I spoke to a tech at the Erie, PA location (independent tech) who said that many of the EA locations have very old modems that have communication issues. At the time, I was getting a free charge for no reason, he said that that location and one in Ohio "had ghosts" and you never knew what they would do. On our return trip, that exact charger wouldn't work at all.

On our next trip, I plan on using the EA app FIRST, as several have recommended, to get it to authorize before plugging in. I've had too many occasions where I waste 15 - 30 minutes trying to get charging sessions working properly (after using my free hours). With Plug and Charge, I don't think I had authorization issues, the only issues were chargers providing way below the normal rate, like 34kw peak.
 
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Not necessarily. I recently travelled from Joplin, MO to Dallas and had a similar issue. I stopped at a station in McAlester, OK and there were six chargers there and none of them were working. The chargers are owned operated by Francis Energy, not EA. I called the Francis tech support and they were unable to get them working. Luckily, I had enough charge to get to Durant, where I was able to charge at a Francis Energy station, so I know it wasn't a car or user issue in McAlester.
I had my first issue with Francis chargers this weekend. I stopped at a rest stop on the turnpike, and they had 6 stations. I normally use my RFID card to activate them, and this time it popped up and said no account found. So I tried to activate with the app, but the stations weren't even listed on their app at all so I couldn't activate them. Finally just used my credit card on the charger and it started charging thankfully or else I'd have been stuck there.
 

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Every station i've been to has the customer support number right on the station by the credit card reader. Plus there is the option in the app as well. I've actually had times where I just submitted a report of a charger not working, and someone at EA called me to ask if I needed help.
My experience is the same. While I do think EA needs to just work better, they have taken the next best step which is making their customer support quick, effective, and easy to reach. I couldn't activate a station once because my cell signal was all sorts of screwed up (completely not EA's fault) - I called them up and they activated my station with my EA account with ease.
 

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Every station i've been to has the customer support number right on the station by the credit card reader. Plus there is the option in the app as well. I've actually had times where I just submitted a report of a charger not working, and someone at EA called me to ask if I needed help.
That's funny. I've reported chargers not working via the app and not once received a phone call. In fact, I reported chargers and the app having issues and was told by EA via email days later "you should have called us when you had the issues", because my time is of course not worth anything and I should call them and waste time on my trip reporting broken chargers, when switching to a different charger worked and is much faster.

Reported multiple chargers at multiple locations on 10/1, and on each requested they contact me, which is an option. On 10/9 they emailed me:

Hi Rick,

Thank you for your interest in Electrify America and thank you for reporting this information. In order to assist you with charging it would be beneficial for you to try to give us a call while at a charging station. Our charging specialists are available 24 hours a day / 7 days a week to assist with charging and can be reached at 1.833.632.2778.

Regards,
Chiara


I complained to their Twitter account, saying using the app created a "trackable event" so they'd have to fix the chargers, vs. a phone call may not. They response from the Twitter account:

Thank you for reaching out, Rick. Electrify America strives to provide a seamless charging experience throughout our network and we understand the importance of having reliable chargers available for use. We appreciate you taking the time to report each of your concerns directly through the Electrify America mobile app. Our team investigates and actions all reports brought to our attention – this includes when our customers call in. However, we do recommend giving us a call at 1-833-632-2778 if you are needing immediate assistance while at a charger – this way our specialist can do their best to address any concerns right away. Your feedback is valued and we will ensure this is relayed to our broader team for review.
 

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That's funny. I've reported chargers not working via the app and not once received a phone call. In fact, I reported chargers and the app having issues and was told by EA via email days later "you should have called us when you had the issues", because my time is of course not worth anything and I should call them and waste time on my trip reporting broken chargers, when switching to a different charger worked and is much faster.

Reported multiple chargers at multiple locations on 10/1, and on each requested they contact me, which is an option. On 10/9 they emailed me:

Hi Rick,

Thank you for your interest in Electrify America and thank you for reporting this information. In order to assist you with charging it would be beneficial for you to try to give us a call while at a charging station. Our charging specialists are available 24 hours a day / 7 days a week to assist with charging and can be reached at 1.833.632.2778.

Regards,
Chiara


I complained to their Twitter account, saying using the app created a "trackable event" so they'd have to fix the chargers, vs. a phone call may not. They response from the Twitter account:

Thank you for reaching out, Rick. Electrify America strives to provide a seamless charging experience throughout our network and we understand the importance of having reliable chargers available for use. We appreciate you taking the time to report each of your concerns directly through the Electrify America mobile app. Our team investigates and actions all reports brought to our attention – this includes when our customers call in. However, we do recommend giving us a call at 1-833-632-2778 if you are needing immediate assistance while at a charger – this way our specialist can do their best to address any concerns right away. Your feedback is valued and we will ensure this is relayed to our broader team for review.
Maybe it was a slow day at EA support when I made my report.
 

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I wonder --- will there ever be "attendants" at these charging banks? Maybe 8-16 banks may have enough business to justify someone with knowledge to be on hand to help.
I could see at some of the larger sites having people to assist, but I suspect that will come with some additional costs. It's a simple process in theory to plug in and charge, but the reality is that it has been less that reliable or predictable.

But, I suspect that with cameras onsite and remote support including restart, this will be the norm for most sites - call the vendor and they will support it remotely. Honestly, with the price of copper, I suspect that there are already cameras and sensors to catch people cutting off cables for the copper wiring inside. We had an electrician out to the house yesterday and he said that the scrapyard now requires ID and a waiting period for copper.
 

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Not necessarily. I recently travelled from Joplin, MO to Dallas and had a similar issue. I stopped at a station in McAlester, OK and there were six chargers there and none of them were working. The chargers are owned operated by Francis Energy, not EA. I called the Francis tech support and they were unable to get them working. Luckily, I had enough charge to get to Durant, where I was able to charge at a Francis Energy station, so I know it wasn't a car or user issue in McAlester.
I made that same trip in June. The station in Muskogee worked flawlessly, but I had trouble in Durant. A quick phone call and they rebooted the charger and fixed it.
 

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We had an electrician out to the house yesterday and he said that the scrapyard now requires ID and a waiting period for copper.
Michigan passed a law in 2014 requiring ID and a mailed check for any copper scrapping over $25.
 

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Gas stations are almost always under a canopy. Plus the CC reader in a gas pump is much different than the CC readers on the EA stations. Gas pumps basically just have a Mag Stripe reader. While EA stations have a full Credit card terminal bolted on to the outside of the unit.
Yes there is a big difference in the quality of the readers used by EA and gas stations. I have noticed that EA now has separate RFID readers on the Signet units, and those are protected much better from the elements. It is likely then that the Apple wallet or credit cards with RFID will work more reliably. Many of the older ABB units have the RFID reader and CC reader lumped into one reader. And the credit card typically goes into the top of those readers, whereas gas station readers are horizontal and recessed into the pumps for more protection.
 

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I made that same trip in June. The station in Muskogee worked flawlessly, but I had trouble in Durant. A quick phone call and they rebooted the charger and fixed it.
Bjorn Nyland just posted a YT video of the Nordic EV summit. Of note, there are a number of companies coming up with portable charging options. Tom Mologny (sp?) has posted some videos of a solution already on his State of Charge YT channel.

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