EPA Certifies Mach-E Range Targets, 300 Miles for Premium Extended Range RWD

[ChasingCoral]

Not strange at all. If the design and prototype engineers (including software types) have done their jobs, they knew a long time ago what the car was capable of. They know and understand the EPA testing and certainly have a duplicate facility at their R&D shops. I agree with some that it may be true that there is room in the numbers for range growth through actual real world experience and/or OTA updates. I do suspect that Marketing was involved in the precise range estimates and the release of EPA numbers, if that is what you mean. BTW, My 18 month old Kona Electric just got a range bump of about 6% due to a software update that was a "recall" of the battery system.

In the end much of it is system optimization. You know there was a discussion where they saw they could beat specs 5% and asked “what do folks want more, 15 miles of range or 0.3 seconds faster acceleration?”
Answer: Gotta beat 5 seconds in 0-60. Put as h as you can in power as long as you meet the range targets.

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[DBC]

In the end much of it is system optimization. You know there was a discussion where they saw they could beat specs 5% and asked “what do folks want more, 15 miles of range or 0.3 seconds faster acceleration?”

Good point. No doubt changing the reduction gearing would result in less performance and more efficiency. The other factor would be "visual optimization". Ford could probably have improved the aero by taking out some of the design creases and making the vehicle more efficient with smaller wheels. That, however, would compromise the design of an "icon" and generally been a bad decision IMO.

150 kW charging can make up for efficiency loss. Nothing can make up for a less desirable appearance.

 

[eager2own]

GT = 250 not 235. Higher than my old Bolt by a good margin and much faster too.

Depends.
The standard GT is expected to get 250, but the GT with the Performance package is expected to drop to 235.

 

[mattbostonmache]

Depends.
The standard GT is expected to get 250, but the GT with the Performance package is expected to drop to 235.

What's the difference between the GT and the GT Performance? Different motor? Different battery?

 

[macchiaz-o]

What's the difference between the GT and the GT Performance? Different motor? Different battery?

Different shocks and wheels... Who knows what else? Only two more days before we should have more concrete details. ?

 

[eager2own]

What's the difference between the GT and the GT Performance? Different motor? Different battery?

Until we learn more in a couple of days, this is the original info:

 

[SteveUk]

That is a beauty.

 

[Stacey]

Depends.
The standard GT is expected to get 250, but the GT with the Performance package is expected to drop to 235.

What's the difference between the GT and the GT Performance? Different motor? Different battery?

Likely different (more aggressive) H rated tires, bigger wheels and a wider track stance. The other enhancements, such as lowering the car would actually increase range.

However it looks extremely uncompetitive vs the Model Y Performance which has similar enhancements standard , (staggered tires 255 35/275 35 vs 255 45 square in the Long range mode), enhanced brakes, track mode software and has 303 miles of range (a 30% increase vs 230), and is significantly cheaper, MSRP vs MSRP with the GT Performance Package factored in for the MME. To add insult to the deficit, Model Y has a top speed of 155. That suggests that it’s stronger than the MME after 60 mph since the GT tops out at 120.

Ford is doing a very big ask if they plan on releasing the GT with those specs, and up charge for the performance package. The YP wipes it across the board in every performance aspect , and cheaper too. That’s not good.

 

[timbop]

Likely different (more aggressive) H rated tires, bigger wheels and a wider track stance. The other enhancements, such as lowering the car would actually increase range.

However it looks extremely uncompetitive vs the Model Y Performance which has similar enhancements standard , (staggered tires 255 35/275 35 vs 255 45 square in the Long range mode), enhanced brakes, track mode software and has 303 miles of range (a 30% increase vs 230), and is significantly cheaper, MSRP vs MSRP with the GT Performance Package factored in for the MME. To add insult to the deficit, Model Y has a top speed of 155. That suggests that it’s stronger than the MME after 60 mph since the GT tops out at 120.

Ford is doing a very big ask if they plan on releasing the GT with those specs, and up charge for the performance package. The YP wipes it across the board in every performance aspect , and cheaper too. That’s not good.

Which may explain why the GT is so far behind schedule and the specs have been pulled from the website.

 

[Stacey]

Yes but....

the Mustang Mach-E was not built with sustained performance as one of its goals.

We got mixed answers on whether traction control could be fully defeated: a yes from Pericak, followed by no from Chief Program Engineer Ron Heiser, followed by a final answer from Pericak that the team would be making changes before the final release next year

Im guessing they are doing a big rethink of the GT if this interview was bad...

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-ca...is-not-built-for-sustained-track-performance/

So we have a “Mustang” that isn’t very sporty, lacks the utility of a basic RAV4, and in lower trims is lacking in range vs Tesla. So this is an Escape with tri bar taillights and a pony badge?

 

[silverelan]

Yes but....





Im guessing they are doing a big rethink of the GT if this interview was bad...

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-ca...is-not-built-for-sustained-track-performance/

So we have a “Mustang” that isn’t very sporty, lacks the utility of a basic RAV4, and in lower trims is lacking in range vs Tesla. So this is an Escape with tri bar taillights and a pony badge?

Yeah, I've ciphered on this point for awhile and this interchange kind of bothered me.

In the end, I think we're looking at a very different GT than what was revealed over a year ago and which won't come out for almost ANOTHER year (late summer 2021, aka September). The delay is beyond what can be explained just by COVID and is probably to account for different hardware.

• Different motorset; one but probably both motors are different than non-GT.
• Enhanced battery cooling system hardware.
• BMS and traction control has to have track settings.
• Heat pump?

Plus there's Magneride which people rave about in other cars.

 

[trutolife27]

Yes but....





Im guessing they are doing a big rethink of the GT if this interview was bad...

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-ca...is-not-built-for-sustained-track-performance/

So we have a “Mustang” that isn’t very sporty, lacks the utility of a basic RAV4, and in lower trims is lacking in range vs Tesla. So this is an Escape with tri bar taillights and a pony badge?

that is back in 2019 and yes it's an SUV crossover. So you would compare it to other SUV crossovers in the segment. We are not taking pinto station wagons around the track vs corvettes.

 

[silverelan]

that is back in 2019 and yes it's an SUV crossover. So you would compare it to other SUV crossovers in the segment. We are not taking pinto station wagons around the track vs corvettes.

The Model Y Performance has no problem delivering a beat down on a track against a Jeep Trackhawk, AMG GLC, and BMW X3M.

Ron and Dave are hopefully not building a Pinto in response to the Model Y Performance.

 

[trutolife27]

The Model Y Performance has no problem delivering a beat down on a track against a Jeep Trackhawk, AMG GLC, and BMW X3M.

Ron and Dave are hopefully not building a Pinto in response to the Model Y Performance.

well since the mache gt is 3.7 0 to 60 somehow I feel it will be 3.5 0 to 60 when it launches. kinda makes the post a waste of time. YAWN. The article was more about handing at high speeds than drag racing. Model y is not that type either. back to some

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