EV vs. ICE: How far can you travel in each state for $100?

[Eric_C_Boston]

Link to story.

I wonder if this article is too general and makes a couple of invalid assumptions. I did my own calculations based on my old car, a 2015 Fusion Hybrid, and my MME ER RWD.

The hybrid has a combined EPA of 42 MPG and I could go 1448 miles for $100 with gas at $2.90. Of course a hybrid is more efficient than a ICE.

I pay $0.281 per kWh, so $100 is 355.48 kWh. The EPA value for my MME is 347 Wh per mile, which turns out to be 1024 miles for $100 of home charging.

The local EA Charger is $0.32 per minute, so $100 is 312.5 minutes. This gets tricky to figure, but with 45 minute charging sessions to 80% (70.4 kW) I can get around 6 sessions and go 1676 miles.

So it appears in my case it costs me more to move to electric, although I mostly use the free charger at work.

I find it interesting that in my case, DC Fast Charging could be cheaper than home charging.

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[Bosox07]

Good Lord, your energy costs on the N. Shore are out of control. I'm on the South Coast and am paying .10865/kWh. The same $100 gets me 920.39 kWh. Using the 347 Wh/mile, I can go 2,652 miles for my $100 of home charging. The MME (when I finally get it) will be my daily driver, but not the vehicle we'll use for long road trips, so I expect to save a ton of money by charging at home nearly all of the time.

Edited to add that I am replacing my F150 that only gets 18 mi/gallon on good days, so I can only go a bit over 620 miles on the same $100.

 

[timbop]

Have you looked into solar? I have no idea what incentives you have in MA, but in NJ my solar panels cost me $.15/kwh before state incentives

 

[JSeis]

My .063 KWH rate means I can go over 1500 miles. I commute 80 miles a day. With gas I’m blowing through 1.2 fill-ups a week (~20 gallons per) at 25 mpg. I’ll save about $4,000 per year at current fuel prices. That’s enough to around the earth nearly 3X.

 

[JoeDimwit]

I am at 10,000 miles right now (exactly). So far, my total fuel cost for my Mach-E is… *furious tapping noises from calculator* $0.00. At this rate, I’ll be well over 1,000,000 miles before crossing the $100.00 mark. ?

 

[praxiscat]

My local level 2 chargepoint charger is $0.12 a kWh. Which has made charging seem super cheap. There is a fast charger near me where it is $0.21 a kWh.
Never mind the charging I get for free places.
In terms of fuel costs, considering the size and speed of the vehicle, this is a bargain. I figured for the $2-$3 I put in, I would be putting in 3-4 gallons of gas, if not more. So about $9-$12+.

 

[Shayne]

No fossil fuel is also good for the environment. Big gas stepping down from ICE to promote Hybrids soon? Smoking only almost kills you.

As per article and all our experiences.

The data doesn’t lie. Even with state averages and approximating charging efficiencies, without considering TOU, electric vehicles destroy ICE vehicles in range for $100.

Clean and about 0.10 $/KW here. It is not too noticeable on the electrical bill. The gas pumps showed up more at month ends.

Faster, less maintenance and cheaper to fuel up EV's have a few things going for them.

 

[benk016]

There is a gas station chain in Oklahoma City that has started to put in 70kw ChargePoint fast chargers. They have them on variable pricing. The most expensive it gets is $0.14/kwh, and the cheapest it gets is $0.09/kwh.

Average cost of energy at home around here seems to be $0.10/kwh

 

[Chuck]

Since I have solar and don't pay for electricity I can go a loooooong way on $100.

The car it replaced was a 2009 Edge which averaged 21 mpg. At the current Costco gas price near me of $3.89 I could get 539.8457583547558 miles on that.

 

[Eric_C_Boston]

Hello,

My supplier does seem a little high at 0.1593 per kWh. But National Grid gets their cut as well.
Dist Chg 0.0736 per kWh
Transition -0.00086 per kWh
Transmission 0.0313 per kWh
Energy Eff 0.02098 per kWh
Renewable 0.0005 per kWh
Dist Solar -0.00362 per kWh
EV Charge 0.00011 per kWh
Total for Distribution is 0.12201 per kWh

That is why, at least in Massachusetts, you can not go by just the supplier cost.

 

[RedStallion]

Link to story.

I wonder if this article is too general and makes a couple of invalid assumptions. I did my own calculations based on my old car, a 2015 Fusion Hybrid, and my MME ER RWD.

The hybrid has a combined EPA of 42 MPG and I could go 1448 miles for $100 with gas at $2.90. Of course a hybrid is more efficient than a ICE.

I pay $0.281 per kWh, so $100 is 355.48 kWh. The EPA value for my MME is 347 Wh per mile, which turns out to be 1024 miles for $100 of home charging.

The local EA Charger is $0.32 per minute, so $100 is 312.5 minutes. This gets tricky to figure, but with 45 minute charging sessions to 80% (70.4 kW) I can get around 6 sessions and go 1676 miles.

So it appears in my case it costs me more to move to electric, although I mostly use the free charger at work.

I find it interesting that in my case, DC Fast Charging could be cheaper than home charging.

The article is mostly correct, except for DC fast charging. Hard to say where they got those numbers from. AE fast chargers are $.43/kWh in California, and even though gas prices are high ($4.30/g) my round trip SF-LA was cheaper in a large SUV than in MME. More efficient cars, like hybrids, will be even cheaper to travel.

EVs are great city cars, not so great on interstate.

 

[RedStallion]

Since I have solar and don't pay for electricity I can go a loooooong way on $100.

The car it replaced was a 2009 Edge which averaged 21 mpg. At the current Costco gas price near me of $3.89 I could get 539.8457583547558 miles on that.

Perhaps you are an exception. In many locations solar is more expensive than electric grid. You need to calculate all expenses, including depreciation, and loss of opportunity.

 

[Nklem]

no DCFC near me. Only home level 2 at $0.17/kW and free at work . I use work as much as I can. For my 4400 miles I have spent $94.00 on electricity out of pocket for the Mach E. That equals about 152 MPG in an ICE currently. So with my free charges at work, I can go 4680 miles On $100. The reason I bought electric, the Mach E, was because of the free charging at work.

I helped design and plan the chargers And recommended it be Free to employees . My boss was all for charging employees with a weekly fee but it was too hard to manage. ChargePoint wanted thousands$ to manage payments and for Smart equipment making the cost horrifying And the employees would have had to pay $$0.30/kWh for the company to get a return. We knew usage would be nil and it would be a loser at that rate. So they decided to make it free and put in dumb level 2’s (no metering or billing).

Originally I said I was not going to use it, and did not charge my Ioniq there for 6 months, but it’s a free employee benefit so now I take full advantage. We also have a site in Connecticut, but I would need at least 1 DCFCs to get there through Mass and probably 10 hours of free level 2. I guess it’s a way for my company to get 10 hours out of me If I have to go there.

 

[engnrng]

Perhaps you are an exception. In many locations solar is more expensive than electric grid. You need to calculate all expenses, including depreciation, and loss of opportunity.

My solar/battery investment returns over 7% tax free rate of return on invested capital. That is based on the electric bills I no longer pay to power my house from a few years ago before solar (electricity rates in SoCal are higher now). I also produce enough solar over a 1 year period to cover my 2 electric cars charging needs and still get a few $$ back from the utility each year. So, in my mind, I like to think that my electric car "fuel" is essentially free.

 

[timbop]

Hello,

My supplier does seem a little high at 0.1593 per kWh. But National Grid gets their cut as well.
Dist Chg 0.0736 per kWh
Transition -0.00086 per kWh
Transmission 0.0313 per kWh
Energy Eff 0.02098 per kWh
Renewable 0.0005 per kWh
Dist Solar -0.00362 per kWh
EV Charge 0.00011 per kWh
Total for Distribution is 0.12201 per kWh

That is why, at least in Massachusetts, you can not go by just the supplier cost.

PSE&G here in NJ does the same with tack-on fees, but when all is said and done the price is between $.182 and $.195 per kilowatt. After getting SRECs and paying for my panels I'm looking at around $.085/kwh.

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