EV vs. ICE: How far can you travel in each state for $100?

[BalsaDust]

The rate here in Delaware keeps dropping now that other companies can compete for service so we see the occasional price wars that keep dropping the Delmarva rate. I went from over .21 per kw a few years ago to a current (no pun intended) .0878 per kw. Now I havent received my MME yet but I calculated my monthly payment will only increase about $20 charging at home, quite a bit less than the 80~90 a month I currently spend on gas.

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[intoMME]

Mine costs nothing. Solar panels on the roof offset all of my electricity costs. If you buy the panels instead of leasing them, you will own them in about 5 years, paying the same monthly amount that you would have to your electricity provider. At least, that is how it works with my solar guy in southern CA.

 

[AllenXS]

In BC Canada our gas its about twice your rate. Electricity about half and work is free.
So $100 is a big saving.
My old van I could go 240 miles. On a road trip here, 1600 miles at Petro Canada rates. Not Electrify Canada they are a lot higher

 

[Eric_C_Boston]

From what I read, Massachusetts has the third highest electric rates in the country.

I also have free Level 2 charging where I work and make use of it. There is a free 50 kW DC charger near work as well. I took advantage of free charging on a recent trip. I am using the 500 kW of free charging at EA. So for at least the first few months of ownership, I have not spent very much to go thousands of miles.

Some of my friends thought all EV chargers were free and were not aware of how someone would pay for it.

 

[superdave80]

AE fast chargers are $.43/kWh in California, and even though gas prices are high ($4.30/g) my round trip SF-LA was cheaper in a large SUV than in MME. More efficient cars, like hybrids, will be even cheaper to travel.

EVs are great city cars, not so great on interstate.

That doesn't seem to add up. Even if your 'large SUV' got 30 MPG (A Ford Expedition only gets 23MPG on highway), it would still be cheaper in a MachE (assuming 3.3 mi/kwh). $14.33$/100 mi. in SUV vs. $13.03/100 mi. in MachE. Also, you can get EA charging for $0.31/kwh for a $4 monthly fee (easily worth if for a round trip SF-LA).

Given the more realistic numbers I put above, your trip would cost nearly double ($142 vs. $75) in a large SUV vs. a MachE. The break even point for MPG in an ICE is around 45 MPG.

 

[awp0]

That doesn't seem to add up. Even if your 'large SUV' got 30 MPG (A Ford Expedition only gets 23MPG on highway), it would still be cheaper in a MachE (assuming 3.3 mi/kwh). $14.33$/100 mi. in SUV vs. $13.03/100 mi. in MachE. Also, you can get EA charging for $0.31/kwh for a $4 monthly fee (easily worth if for a round trip SF-LA).

Given the more realistic numbers I put above, your trip would cost nearly double ($142 vs. $75) in a large SUV vs. a MachE. The break even point for MPG in an ICE is around 45 MPG.

I think you're replying to a post that's pretty old. Try the math with a 30mpg SUV using today's $3/gal gas price

 

[ElectrikPony]

Pg&e in northern California we pay 40-44 cents per kWh. It’s absolutely insane.

I can go to a fast charger and pay 28 cents per kWh depending on time of day.

 

[RedStallion]

That doesn't seem to add up. Even if your 'large SUV' got 30 MPG (A Ford Expedition only gets 23MPG on highway), it would still be cheaper in a MachE (assuming 3.3 mi/kwh). $14.33$/100 mi. in SUV vs. $13.03/100 mi. in MachE. Also, you can get EA charging for $0.31/kwh for a $4 monthly fee (easily worth if for a round trip SF-LA).

Given the more realistic numbers I put above, your trip would cost nearly double ($142 vs. $75) in a large SUV vs. a MachE. The break even point for MPG in an ICE is around 45 MPG.

The numbers have been crunched already many times. At the time of the writing, gas and EA charger prices prices on I-5 in CA were in proportion of 10kWh per gal. MME efficiency on I-5 were between 2.5mi/kWh driving toward LA in the morning, and 1.8mi/kWh driving in the opposite direction in the evening. That results in 18-25mpg equivalent for MachE. Most cars and SUVs do much better on freeway.

 

[RedStallion]

Pg&e in northern California we pay 40-44 cents per kWh. It’s absolutely insane.

I can go to a fast charger and pay 28 cents per kWh depending on time of day.

The time of cheap electricity comes to an end. In UK already average price to use a 'rapid' public charger is now over 70p per kilowatt hour. No doubt the prices will be rising in US as well, perhaps to about $1/kWh.

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money...r-public-charging-prices-58-eight-months.html

 

[tdmeng]

The numbers have been crunched already many times. At the time of the writing, gas and EA charger prices prices on I-5 in CA were in proportion of 10kWh per gal. MME efficiency on I-5 were between 2.5mi/kWh driving toward LA in the morning, and 1.8mi/kWh driving in the opposite direction in the evening. That results in 18-25mpg equivalent for MachE. Most cars and SUVs do much better on freeway.

2.5mi/kwh => 400kw per mile
1.8 mi/kwh => 555kw per mile

Yikes at that efficiency. May I know if there were other factors? (towing, high speeds say 95 mph?)
I've read GT get as low as 2.1mi/kwh at >85 mph.
The M3 LR even at 85 mph chews up about 340 kw per mile which is about 2.9 mi/kwh.
I find this gap in efficiency vs Tesla difficult to accept.

 

[superdave80]

MME efficiency on I-5 were between 2.5mi/kWh driving toward LA in the morning, and 1.8mi/kWh driving in the opposite direction in the evening. That results in 18-25mpg equivalent for MachE. Most cars and SUVs do much better on freeway.

Where did those numbers come from? I have never done worse than 3.3mi/kwh on the highway. My MachE is far, far cheaper to run than an average ICE right now. Gas prices would have to drop to around $3 for an ICE to match me (still around $4 in CA right now).

 

[sotek2345]

Where did those numbers come from? I have never done worse than 3.3mi/kwh on the highway. My MachE is far, far cheaper to run than an average ICE right now. Gas prices would have to drop to around $3 for an ICE to match me (still around $4 in CA right now).

You do have one of the more efficient trims. In our GT - 2.3 to 2.5 is normal on the highway, and it gets closer to 2.0 in the cold.

 

[awp0]

I'm not the OP, but also live in the Boston area. Around here it's not as clear.

I switched my electricity supplier to the cheapest plan available just a few weeks ago, and that still leaves me at .18/kWh supply plus .14/kWh delivery = .32/kWh total. Meanwhile there are two gas stations within a mile of my house selling $3/gal gas. Oh, and it's currently sub-freezing temps so the MME is averaging well under 3 miles/kWh on any kind of highway driving.

My Kia Telluride gets 26mpg highway, so at $3/gal I'm spending $11.54 for 100 miles. It's a really big 7-seater.

My MME averages about 2.8 miles/kWh on the highway this time of year (best case in cold) at .32/kWh rate, which results in $11.43 over 100 miles.

Not exactly the kind of savings I was hoping for with an EV. Granted in the summer time it's better, but still not a very compelling cost savings.

Before anyone asks, we have a company lined up to install solar this spring

 

[Guss-E 2021]

@Eric_C_Boston I'm pretty sure I read that the IEA said gas would be back to $4-4.25 gallon this summer. Re-run your estimate with that .

 

[nvabill]

@Eric_C_Boston I'm pretty sure I read that the IEA said gas would be back to $4-4.25 gallon this summer. Re-run your estimate with that .

I’m pretty sure I did not read the IEA said gas would be back to $4-4.25 gallon this summer. No need to rerun.

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