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That's problematic for compact vehicles that are designed to take advantage of every inch. That's why the batteries usually get built into the bottom frame now.I can't even believe we're entertaining charging time as a real thing when it comes to EVs. These companies should focus on making the car itself and standardize their battery cooling system designs, then team with battery makers to make the battery pack hot swappable. In reality, the winning team is going to be the one that can team with big oil to use their properties (gas stations) to house battery pack swap buildings. You drive your EV in, the robot hot swaps your battery pack. You drive away at 100%. In and out in 1 minute or less. To do this takes cunning and forethought and money. But if you do it, you kill any other brand making cars that charge at a station for 20-60 mins. They're dead.
Just doesn't pencil out from the $2M in battery inventory for each EV make and each model of each make, the huge mass weight of that inventory, the handling equipment, the time just maneuvering the cars not counting the actual swap time and check out. Will Shell swap a Chevron battery...it just goes on and on vs. 10 minute EV full recharge.If you could just have a station swap your battery, there's no need to worry. If you didn't want to stop, you wouldn't need to stop any longer than a minute.
I don't have home charging. Live on Tesla SCs and EA and EVgo. Works great and it's getting better al the time, Tesla is upgrading to 250kW (1,000 mph) from 150kw (600 mph) and EA is 350kW and 150kW already.Most people in cities don't have the option to just park it at a charger all night. I don't have the electrical layout to support a charger without spending on it."
Because you have a Shell battery from a 2019 Kona EV and Chevron doesn't have one in stock and wouldn't take Shell's anyway.We're still talking about spending minutes waiting to charge. It's still dumb. Why cant I just pull into the EV equivalent of a Chevron and get a battery swap and get going?
I'm cutting that 70% in half as only the 2nd car in the household though, so they still have an ICE to use on longer drives. Or PHEV. That will probably become the popular option for many of those that only have 1 vehicle.You are right that home charging is the key and range issues tend to disappear on the day to day usage if you have home charging. I'm an outlier with no home charging, dependent on public charging.
Closer to 70% of car owners are homeowners so EV's should work for 70% easy, just 2% have done it to date.
China and US and EU are all currently based on EV charging stations which have worked well in EU.The way China is doing it makes more sense than how we in the "free market" United States are doing it.
As someone whose new to EV charging it can be daunting with all this information. However, like some others have said it can be simple and most people won't need to know all these details.FWIW, this thread is exactly why the average Joe isn't shopping for a BEV .. it is just too confusing to understand charging. I really wish Ford or heck someone would just simplify it. Allegedly, Sync 4 will, I guess we'll see.
Ok, let's game this scenario:The way China is doing it makes more sense than how we in the "free market" United States are doing it. Lots of companies can make batteries lighter or more energy dense per unit of space and will over time, but once a battery is built into the car, you can't swap it without expense. Gas stations have 3 grades of gas, all that fuel has to be stored on site. Thousands of gallons weighing tons. What's your point? We could have 3 sizes or 4 sizes depending on overall vehicle size. What's the overall size difference between a Hyundai Tucson and a Ford Escape and a Toyota Rav4? Not much. What's the overall size difference between a Ford F-150, a Toyota Tundra and a Nissan Titan? Not a lot. Not enough to say we can't standardize sizes of batteries. The problem is that companies won't do it. China will. And will make us look foolish in the process.
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