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02/08 EDIT - Add trunk picture with groceries, Add info re Charging and Electrify America (tech and misc section)

EV Experience:
  • 2013 Ford Focus EV - Used as daily driver for 3 years
  • 2019 Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus RWD - Current daily driver (for now :) )
My Ford Mach-E
  • Reserved on- 03/03/2020
  • Order Finalized - 07/07/2020
  • Delivered to Dealer - 02/03/2021
  • Purchase Finalized and vehicle pickup - 02/07/2021
  • Purchase/Lease: Ford Options 48 Month Lease @ 10500miles with $2000 down $664/month (Including $2500 Options Rebate and CA CRV Rebate $1500)
  • Vehicle Trim/Spec:
    • Mustang Mach-E 2021 Select RWD
    • Ext-Iconic Silver Metallic | Int-BLK Onyx ActiveX Seats
    • +Comford/Technology Package ($2600)
    • Total Dealer Sticker Price $46, 595

My thoughts on EV, Range anxiety, Charging, Tesla vs Ford etc:
  • I drove a 60-70mile range ford focus EV for 3 years as my daily driver and I've had my share of "0% battery - stop" moments. But I've never been stuck to a point I had to call roadside assistance. Charged at home using a 110v regular charger. But yes, I had a gas car that I drove when I needed to go on longer trips.
  • I've been driving Tesla M3 for about an year and a big fan of all things Tesla (also have Tesla Solar). I love all the software upgrades/changes they routinely do and I think this one of the biggest reasons Tesla is leading the way. I believe Tesla is more of a Tech company, trying to make vehicles.
  • Why I bought Mach-e: I didn't need to buy another vehicle. Also - Ford is not in my Top 5 vehicle manufacturers. But I think Ford has the experience and could make a better car than Tesla. I also usually don't buy brand new vehicles - as they loose value right after. But looking at the price tag, all the rebates being offered - It doesn't look like I'd be loosing a lot of money. Additionally, I plan to rent out this vehicle on a car sharing/rental platform > converting this more to a investment than an expense. If it wasn't for the rental idea - I would've NOT bought it.

First impressions comparing it to Tesla M3:
  • Driving:
    • Drive seems more firm/controlled than M3. I think I enjoy it more than on my Tesla M3. This could also be due to the ride height.
    • Propulsion Noises - I LOVE this. In-fact, I've researched about after market upgrades that can be done on Tesla that could add this feature. I miss hearing the engine rev noises and the response you receive as you accelerate. So YES - I love it and hopefully Tesla considers this in the future.
    • One pedal driving - this seems very similar to Tesla and other vehicles, don't see a big difference.
    • EV acceleration/torque: For some reason, Torque seems much stronger on the M3 and not so much on Mach-e. Even on my Focus EV, the torque was more powerful, but it was a very light vehicle.
    • One thing I didn't like about my Focus EV is the fact that it was a lighter vehicle and felt like driving a toy car. Acceleration and handling felt a bit 'out of control'. But on the Mach-e : I think they did a very good job in fine tuning the driving experience and I'm sure the weight and center of gravity helps this a lot.
    • From a few hours of driving - I think I'm starting to prefer the Mach-e Driving experience over Model 3.
  • Tech and Misc.
    • Compared to Tesla M3 - I definitely love having a instrument cluster in front of you. Not a big fan of having to look to the side for all the controls.
    • On Mach e - Most of the standard vehicle controls are traditional button, levers. I love this. From a design and the looks point of view, I do like the minimalist look on the Tesla - but it came in the cost of functionality/practicality. For ex: Vipers, Headlight controls, Home link buttons, Signal levers etc - I like the traditional controls.
    • Settings/Options - If Tesla has 30 Settings to setup, I believe Mach-e has 3000 setting options to choose in the center control/infotainment Sync 4 system. As a Tech enthusiast, I like being able to control everything and seeing this many options. However, it feels a bit overwhelming and I think it will take a bit to get used. I could see most drivers not liking it. May be they can introduce a "easy/minimalist" environment with default basic settings and then an Advanced mode for those who choose.
    • Setting up the Ford Pass app is pretty straight forward - but I think Tesla wins in this category. It does take some effort to link the vehicle, then link your phone and setting up the phone as key - process on Tesla was much smoother. However, it seems like the Ford Pass app shows more details than the Tesla.
    • *** On the Tesla you have to choose between showing Battery level as a percentage or remaining miles (but not both.) On FORD,
    • Charging Network - This is an area that Tesla is dominating at the moment. With the overall process of charging (stop>plug>charge>unplug>go) and the availability of Charging stations. Ford and other manufacturers are try to implement a similar process, but it is difficult as they rely on public charging stations open to all.
    • ELECTRIFY AMERICA - With your Mach-E purchase (from what I see in my account), you get complimentary membership to Electrify America for 2 years with 250kWh charging bundle. That approximately translates to about 3-5 Charging sessions.

More than happy to answer any questions from forum members. And if you are around LA or planning to visit LA, feel free to reach out to me if you would like to rent it for a few days.


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Love the color!! How's your PaaK working out for you? Any other weird whining noises or lag with the displays?
 
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Love the color!! How's your PaaK working out for you? Any other weird whining noises or lag with the displays?
Not sure I know what Paak stands for. So far havent had any issues with the display and software. Being a tech guy - I sometimes hate when everything is dependent on a computer, so we'll see. Once in while when I have glitches on the Tesla - I can go ahead and do a reboot/reset without impacting the vehicle. Hopefully same goes for the Mach-E. I did see another member posting about a complete blackout and he/she was not able to get out of it.

However - I do feel something weird about the slow start/stop not being smooth. There's some weird jerk to it. But need to do some more driving and get some more field experience.

Great write-up. After a week or two of driving it, do you think you might be reconsidering which of your two vehicles to rent out?
I actually have my Tesla rented out as well. I'm a very cheap/frugal guy and very conscious about my expenses. So I think I'm tricking my mind by saying - Its a rental investment lol.
So I plan to keep both of them on rental (Turo). I do have other vehicles that I do NOT rent out.
 

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EV Experience:
  • 2013 Ford Focus EV - Used as daily driver for 3 years
  • 2019 Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus RWD - Current daily driver (for now :) )
My Ford Mach-E
  • Reserved on- 03/03/2020
  • Order Finalized - 07/07/2020
  • Delivered to Dealer - 02/03/2021
  • Purchase Finalized and vehicle pickup - 02/07/2021
  • Purchase/Lease: Ford Options 48 Month Lease @ 10500miles with $2000 down $664/month (Including $2500 Options Rebate and CA CRV Rebate $1500)
  • Vehicle Trim/Spec:
    • Mustang Mach-E 2021 Select RWD
    • Ext-Iconic Silver Metallic | Int-BLK Onyx ActiveX Seats
    • +Comford/Technology Package ($2600)
    • Total Dealer Sticker Price $46, 595

My thoughts on EV, Range anxiety, Charging, Tesla vs Ford etc:
  • I drove a 60-70mile range ford focus EV for 3 years as my daily driver and I've had my share of "0% battery - stop" moments. But I've never been stuck to a point I had to call roadside assistance. Charged at home using a 110v regular charger. But yes, I had a gas car that I drove when I needed to go on longer trips.
  • I've been driving Tesla M3 for about an year and a big fan of all things Tesla (also have Tesla Solar). I love all the software upgrades/changes they routinely do and I think this one of the biggest reasons Tesla is leading the way. I believe Tesla is more of a Tech company, trying to make vehicles.
  • Why I bought Mach-e: I didn't need to buy another vehicle. Also - Ford is not in my Top 5 vehicle manufacturers. But I think Ford has the experience and could make a better car than Tesla. I also usually don't buy brand new vehicles - as they loose value right after. But looking at the price tag, all the rebates being offered - It doesn't look like I'd be loosing a lot of money. Additionally, I plan to rent out this vehicle on a car sharing/rental platform > converting this more to a investment than an expense. If it wasn't for the rental idea - I would've NOT bought it.

First impressions comparing it to Tesla M3:
  • Driving:
    • Drive seems more firm/controlled than M3. I think I enjoy it more than on my Tesla M3. This could also be due to the ride height.
    • Propulsion Noises - I LOVE this. In-fact, I've researched about after market upgrades that can be done on Tesla that could add this feature. I miss hearing the engine rev noises and the response you receive as you accelerate. So YES - I love it and hopefully Tesla considers this in the future.
    • One pedal driving - this seems very similar to Tesla and other vehicles, don't see a big difference.
    • EV acceleration/torque: For some reason, Torque seems much stronger on the M3 and not so much on Mach-e. Even on my Focus EV, the torque was more powerful, but it was a very light vehicle.
    • One thing I didn't like about my Focus EV is the fact that it was a lighter vehicle and felt like driving a toy car. Acceleration and handling felt a bit 'out of control'. But on the Mach-e : I think they did a very good job in fine tuning the driving experience and I'm sure the weight and center of gravity helps this a lot.
    • From a few hours of driving - I think I'm starting to prefer the Mach-e Driving experience over Model 3.
  • Tech and Misc.
    • Compared to Tesla M3 - I definitely love having a instrument cluster in front of you. Not a big fan of having to look to the side for all the controls.
    • On Mach e - Most of the standard vehicle controls are traditional button, levers. I love this. From a design and the looks point of view, I do like the minimalist look on the Tesla - but it came in the cost of functionality/practicality. For ex: Vipers, Headlight controls, Home link buttons, Signal levers etc - I like the traditional controls.
    • Settings/Options - If Tesla has 30 Settings to setup, I believe Mach-e has 3000 setting options to choose in the center control/infotainment Sync 4 system. As a Tech enthusiast, I like being able to control everything and seeing this many options. However, it feels a bit overwhelming and I think it will take a bit to get used. I could see most drivers not liking it. May be they can introduce a "easy/minimalist" environment with default basic settings and then an Advanced mode for those who choose.
    • Setting up the Ford Pass app is pretty straight forward - but I think Tesla wins in this category. It does take some effort to link the vehicle, then link your phone and setting up the phone as key - process on Tesla was much smoother. However, it seems like the Ford Pass app shows more details than the Tesla.
    • *** On the Tesla you have to choose between showing Battery level as a percentage or remaining miles (but not both.) On FORD,

More than happy to answer any questions from forum members. And if you are around LA or planning to visit LA, feel free to reach out to me if you would like to rent it for a few days.


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Nice write up. Thanks very much.
 

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PAAK =phone as a key
Looks like you that enabled. It appears to be some what buggy based on reports on the forum
 
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PAAK =phone as a key
Looks like you that enabled. It appears to be some what buggy based on reports on the forum
I agree - There is something weird about it. Also, most dealers don't really know much about the vehicle and actual app setup (not their fault though).

My advise is:
  1. Have the ford pass app ready until the "send activation" step
  2. Complete the activation acceptance on the vehicle.
  3. Wait till the vehicle comes and complete activation.
  4. TO setup PAAK (after steps 1-3), go to the Vehicle Tab
  5. Select Phone as a Key option and complete steps. With Android - you will receive multiple Bluetooth prompts.
My dealer associate wanted to setup Bluetooth connectivity to the vehicle before setting up PAAK. I think its best to NOT do that until you setup PAAK. Right now I have an issue with Android auto over Bluetooth, and I think that is because basic Bluetooth pairing was done prior to PAAK.
Again - I'm not sure. I may have to remove PAAK, remove regular vehicle Bluetooth - and then add PAAK again.
 

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I agree - There is something weird about it. Also, most dealers don't really know much about the vehicle and actual app setup (not their fault though).

My advise is:
  1. Have the ford pass app ready until the "send activation" step
  2. Complete the activation acceptance on the vehicle.
  3. Wait till the vehicle comes and complete activation.
  4. TO setup PAAK (after steps 1-3), go to the Vehicle Tab
  5. Select Phone as a Key option and complete steps. With Android - you will receive multiple Bluetooth prompts.
My dealer associate wanted to setup Bluetooth connectivity to the vehicle before setting up PAAK. I think its best to NOT do that until you setup PAAK. Right now I have an issue with Android auto over Bluetooth, and I think that is because basic Bluetooth pairing was done prior to PAAK.
Again - I'm not sure. I may have to remove PAAK, remove regular vehicle Bluetooth - and then add PAAK again.
Android wireless seems to have issues with auto ...there are threads on that. May not be specific to Ford
 

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@Drewlectric I am really going to be interested in your comparison over time. I have ping ponged between the 3, Y, and MachE more times than I can count.
 
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@Drewlectric I am really going to be interested in your comparison over time. I have ping ponged between the 3, Y, and MachE more times than I can count.
Do what i did... Convince your mind to buy all 3. But in all seriousness - they all have many differences apart from sizes. If you really have to pick one, and you like them all equally - I say test drive them all, but at least for a day or two. You can rent Teslas on Turo and soon I plan to put mine as well.
 

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Do what i did... Convince your mind to buy all 3. But in all seriousness - they all have many differences apart from sizes. If you really have to pick one, and you like them all equally - I say test drive them all, but at least for a day or two. You can rent Teslas on Turo and soon I plan to put mine as well.
I’ve driven the 3 and Y. Loved them both. I’ve gone so far as to place orders only to refuse delivery because of waaay too many flaws that I didn’t want to deal with. That’s what drove me to the MachE actually. I’m ridiculous about build quality (mostly panel gaps) so the MachE it is. However I would love to own a 3 LR someday. The refresh made me really think about it but I think with competition Tesla will now focus on build off the line a little more so I’ll get serious again in a few years. If Biden beings back the tax credit for Tesla then sooner.

Would you say for long trips that the MachE a more comfortable ride than the 3?
 

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Thanks for the detailed write up, you also take great pictures!

Out of curiosity, which dealership did you get it from and how would you say your experience was with them?

Slightly off topic, but how do you feel about renting on Turo, ever had a bad experience? I’ve always been scared to do it, that my car would get trashed internally or some kind of issue would occur where I can’t prove it easily and hold the renter accountable.
 
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EV Experience:
  • 2013 Ford Focus EV - Used as daily driver for 3 years
  • 2019 Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus RWD - Current daily driver (for now :) )
My Ford Mach-E
  • Reserved on- 03/03/2020
  • Order Finalized - 07/07/2020
  • Delivered to Dealer - 02/03/2021
  • Purchase Finalized and vehicle pickup - 02/07/2021
  • Purchase/Lease: Ford Options 48 Month Lease @ 10500miles with $2000 down $664/month (Including $2500 Options Rebate and CA CRV Rebate $1500)
  • Vehicle Trim/Spec:
    • Mustang Mach-E 2021 Select RWD
    • Ext-Iconic Silver Metallic | Int-BLK Onyx ActiveX Seats
    • +Comford/Technology Package ($2600)
    • Total Dealer Sticker Price $46, 595

My thoughts on EV, Range anxiety, Charging, Tesla vs Ford etc:
  • I drove a 60-70mile range ford focus EV for 3 years as my daily driver and I've had my share of "0% battery - stop" moments. But I've never been stuck to a point I had to call roadside assistance. Charged at home using a 110v regular charger. But yes, I had a gas car that I drove when I needed to go on longer trips.
  • I've been driving Tesla M3 for about an year and a big fan of all things Tesla (also have Tesla Solar). I love all the software upgrades/changes they routinely do and I think this one of the biggest reasons Tesla is leading the way. I believe Tesla is more of a Tech company, trying to make vehicles.
  • Why I bought Mach-e: I didn't need to buy another vehicle. Also - Ford is not in my Top 5 vehicle manufacturers. But I think Ford has the experience and could make a better car than Tesla. I also usually don't buy brand new vehicles - as they loose value right after. But looking at the price tag, all the rebates being offered - It doesn't look like I'd be loosing a lot of money. Additionally, I plan to rent out this vehicle on a car sharing/rental platform > converting this more to a investment than an expense. If it wasn't for the rental idea - I would've NOT bought it.

First impressions comparing it to Tesla M3:
  • Driving:
    • Drive seems more firm/controlled than M3. I think I enjoy it more than on my Tesla M3. This could also be due to the ride height.
    • Propulsion Noises - I LOVE this. In-fact, I've researched about after market upgrades that can be done on Tesla that could add this feature. I miss hearing the engine rev noises and the response you receive as you accelerate. So YES - I love it and hopefully Tesla considers this in the future.
    • One pedal driving - this seems very similar to Tesla and other vehicles, don't see a big difference.
    • EV acceleration/torque: For some reason, Torque seems much stronger on the M3 and not so much on Mach-e. Even on my Focus EV, the torque was more powerful, but it was a very light vehicle.
    • One thing I didn't like about my Focus EV is the fact that it was a lighter vehicle and felt like driving a toy car. Acceleration and handling felt a bit 'out of control'. But on the Mach-e : I think they did a very good job in fine tuning the driving experience and I'm sure the weight and center of gravity helps this a lot.
    • From a few hours of driving - I think I'm starting to prefer the Mach-e Driving experience over Model 3.
  • Tech and Misc.
    • Compared to Tesla M3 - I definitely love having a instrument cluster in front of you. Not a big fan of having to look to the side for all the controls.
    • On Mach e - Most of the standard vehicle controls are traditional button, levers. I love this. From a design and the looks point of view, I do like the minimalist look on the Tesla - but it came in the cost of functionality/practicality. For ex: Vipers, Headlight controls, Home link buttons, Signal levers etc - I like the traditional controls.
    • Settings/Options - If Tesla has 30 Settings to setup, I believe Mach-e has 3000 setting options to choose in the center control/infotainment Sync 4 system. As a Tech enthusiast, I like being able to control everything and seeing this many options. However, it feels a bit overwhelming and I think it will take a bit to get used. I could see most drivers not liking it. May be they can introduce a "easy/minimalist" environment with default basic settings and then an Advanced mode for those who choose.
    • Setting up the Ford Pass app is pretty straight forward - but I think Tesla wins in this category. It does take some effort to link the vehicle, then link your phone and setting up the phone as key - process on Tesla was much smoother. However, it seems like the Ford Pass app shows more details than the Tesla.
    • *** On the Tesla you have to choose between showing Battery level as a percentage or remaining miles (but not both.) On FORD,

More than happy to answer any questions from forum members. And if you are around LA or planning to visit LA, feel free to reach out to me if you would like to rent it for a few days.


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-- One question I always had, and never could find a clear answer was about clarification on what we get out of Electrify America network. After looking at my account and enabling....

  • You receive two years of complimentary "membership" for Electrify America network
  • You receive 250kWh of free/complimentary charging.
  • You have to add a credit card to your FORD account as an e-Wallet
  • Log-in to your Ford account and visit the connected services section (also found under your vehicle section)
  • you should see the option to "activate" the Electrify America trial

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I’ve driven the 3 and Y. Loved them both. I’ve gone so far as to place orders only to refuse delivery because of waaay too many flaws that I didn’t want to deal with. That’s what drove me to the MachE actually. I’m ridiculous about build quality (mostly panel gaps) so the MachE it is. However I would love to own a 3 LR someday. The refresh made me really think about it but I think with competition Tesla will now focus on build off the line a little more so I’ll get serious again in a few years. If Biden beings back the tax credit for Tesla then sooner.

Would you say for long trips that the MachE a more comfortable ride than the 3?
I completely get you and that's one of the biggest reasons I considered Mach-E. Even though FORD is not in my top vehicle options, I think they have more experience building cars (than Tesla).
I was actually surprised on how good the quality is in the Mach-E, its not like the few Ford vehicles I've experienced. You know when you close a door, and the type of the noise you hear - thats the type of things that I'm picky of sometimes and Mach-E passed. Build quality is the biggest complaint I have against Tesla. But I do know that they've slowly improved that. And yes, the new improvements on M3 and S looks pretty good. But I think they have a long way to go to achieve some status for build quality.

I can also say Tesla service/support is very good. Their mobile support team - 5 stars.
Once I needed my tires changed - the mobile tire team came in 15 minutes, installed a brand new tire and wheel balanced, all in under another 15 minutes.

Another category Tesla wins- Charging network. But hopefully Ford is able to recover some points through Electrify America. Its annoying to have to figure out the payment, start charge/stop charge every time you stop for a charge. With Tesla network, since the charge is calculated through the car - its a much more smother/streamline process.

Good Luck!!!
 
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Thanks for the detailed write up, you also take great pictures!

Out of curiosity, which dealership did you get it from and how would you say your experience was with them?

Slightly off topic, but how do you feel about renting on Turo, ever had a bad experience? I’ve always been scared to do it, that my car would get trashed internally or some kind of issue would occur where I can’t prove it easily and hold the renter accountable.
Dealer - Vista Ford, Woodland Hills
Since this is a special order and vehicle is already allocated to me, I think they had to work with me and couldn't really mark up the price with me. Most of my time was spent back and forth about options pricing. Also, seems like most Dealers still don't know how the options pricing work and their system is not fully set-up to do the calculation. I initially visited the dealer to check the vehicle - but told them I'm not buying on that. After that, I tried to communicate/negotiate everything via email - that way everything was a bit more official. And I like seeing numbers in black and white, not just fast verbal conversations.


Turo - I think with Turo, you want to rent something that you are not personally attached. Last year we had our Tesla rented, but we kept a higher rate since we didn't want it to be rented too much. I also have a Toyota mini van rented, which is rented most of the time. It's one of those vehicles we are not worried much.
Starting this year - I plan to reduce my rate for M3 and have it rented more often. And I think I will sell the M3 in an year or two.
My income from the Mini Van this year (even with Covid) is about $4700. For a vehicle that just sits in the garage - I think thats not bad.
 

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