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. Both sets may be coming out of the factory at the same time, but the US ones can get here in 2020 while the EU won't.
I suppose but its 10-30 days shipping to US Gulf Coast (Houston) to EU so that's cutting it a bit fine for what looks to be close to 3-4 months difference.
 

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The article you quoted is over 4 months old.
But relevant to EU vs. UK emissions fines.

I would think that if Ford were going to take the stance you are suggesting then they wouldn't have made the MME available in the UK from the start.
The Brexit thing has been so fluid and confusing on emissions penalities that Ford just put UK in the mix as they can always just delay or cancel UK if no penalties. Same for US really which is why delaying EU and shipping to US makes no sense.
 

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J'attends avec impatience de recevoir ce mail de Ford France. Si c'est vraiment le cas je pense que j'irai voir ailleurs. Jaguar par exemple, à priori il vont faire de belles ristournes sur les modèles 2019/2020. Ça fera un heureux pour celle que j'ai réservé ne sera pas perdu pour tout le monde
 

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Jaguar par exemple,
On this side, Kona EV if the US ship date turns out to be a mistake.

In my case, I need Electrify America to build out chargers on OR and WA coasts, so if that is delayed, I'll wait for Mach-E. Could take Mach-E in November if they really do ship in US at end of year as shore season over and I would have until June 2021 for EA to build out the planned chargers.
 

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More background from a Ford spokesperson (via Electrek):

Emma Berg, a Ford spokesperson, told us today:
Europe was never getting vehicles before the US. That was an error in a communication and later corrected. It is a planned concurrent launch.
She confirmed that Ford in Europe is informing its customers about the delay until 2021 “due to additional travel time from the plant” in Mexico, where the Mach-E will be produced.

Berg reiterated that the first deliveries in the US will happen before the end of 2020:
We expect to deliver the all-new Mustang Mach-E to US customers late this year.
 

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Plus d'informations sur une porte-parole de Ford (via Electrek ):

Emma Berg, porte-parole de Ford, nous a dit aujourd'hui:

Elle a confirmé que Ford en Europe informe ses clients du retard jusqu'en 2021 «en raison du temps de trajet supplémentaire depuis l'usine» au Mexique, où le Mach-E sera produit.

Berg a réitéré que les premières livraisons aux États-Unis auront lieu avant la fin de 2020:
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Les FE
 

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Les FE devrait être fabriquées et livrées les premières si on respecte la logique et vu qu'elle sont en quantité limitée, donc livraison possible en Europe avant la fin de l'année
 

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She confirmed that Ford in Europe is informing its customers about the delay until 2021 “due to additional travel time from the plant” in Mexico, where the Mach-E will be produced.
OK but with 10-30 day transit time. It would mean Mach-E's in US December 2020 and in EU January 2021. Seems like really tight windows.

Never saw the "correction" to EU first and most. Did the correction make changes to percentages also which was originally 30,000 EU and 20,000 US?
 
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OK but with 10-30 day transit time. It would mean Mach-E's in US December 2020 and in EU January 2021. Seems like really tight windows.
Clearly Ford is trying their hardest to deliver any vehicles they can in 2020. It sounds like they just can't quite get them to Europe in time for 2020 but they can get some to the US with shorter shipping times. It looks like they are making the best lemonade they can.

Never saw the "correction" to EU first and most. Did the correction changes to percentages also which was originally 30,000 EU and 20,000 US?
Percentages didn't change but Ford execs announced the plan was a simultaneous delivery start in US and Europe. That probably meant the first ones would go to Europe as shipping takes longer. It sounds like Ford is now changing their tactic to get first deliveries in 2020 the only way they can.

This should also increase the odds that FE buyers will test drive their own cars.
 

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Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but Ford indicated that they would deliver 50,000 MMEs in the first year, presumably of production, not by the end of 2020. It would be helpful to understand what their production capabilities are if the plant runs "smoothly".
 

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Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but Ford indicated that they would deliver 50,000 MMEs in the first year, presumably of production, not by the end of 2020. It would be helpful to understand what their production capabilities are if the plant runs "smoothly".
50k is, from what I understood, due to the battery supply limitation, not vehicle production volume. If they get more batteries they can make more, so it will depend on the situation later next year. That's why they only planned 50k at first. A car plant can do 200-300k units a year without issue.
 

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Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but Ford indicated that they would deliver 50,000 MMEs in the first year, presumably of production, not by the end of 2020. It would be helpful to understand what their production capabilities are if the plant runs "smoothly".
Been a lot of speculation on that. While that plant has the space to produce way more, there's a lot that goes into designing the production line for a specific output. They were probably targeting something around 5,000/mo (give or take). Unlikely that's changing. Which could mean they only get closer to 40k-45k out in this model year. Or they simply let the 2021 MME model year run a little long before the 2022's come out.
 

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50k is, from what I understood, due to the battery supply limitation, not vehicle production volume. If they get more batteries they can make more, so it will depend on the situation later next year. That's why they only planned 50k at first. A car plant can do 200-300k units a year without issue.
Particularly that one. As I understand it, it's one of the bigger ones.

But of course the other issue is demand. 50k is already a pretty optimistic number for a BEV. Even though we're in the early phases of a shift toward BEVs, consumer demand for them is still in it's infancy. Especially in the US (which is Ford's main focus). I think they're still just around 2% of market share in the US.
 

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Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but Ford indicated that they would deliver 50,000 MMEs in the first year, presumably of production, not by the end of 2020. It would be helpful to understand what their production capabilities are if the plant runs "smoothly".
Correct, the 50k has referred to the 2021 vehicle year and not to 50k units in the remaining months of the 2020 calendar year.
Plant production is a bit irrelevant as to whether they could build more than 50K as Ford has said that the limitation isn't plant production or demand (although they probably wouldn't admit it if it was demand) but, rather, availability of the batteries.
Where plant production may come into play is that, if the batteries can be delivered to support it, presumably it would still be possible to only be delayed with first delivery batches but have ramped up production to still deliver the follow on units on time. In other words, maybe the GT won't be delayed an additional two months but will still deliver early summer....
(fingers crossed)
 

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It's probably just proximity. Both sets may be coming out of the factory at the same time, but the US ones can get here in 2020 while the EU won't.
I don't see why the trains from Mexico to the US are faster than the trains from Mexico to the EU; it's probably Ford's fault...

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