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Clearly Ford is trying their hardest to deliver any vehicles they can in 2020. It sounds like they just can't quite get them to Europe in time for 2020 but they can get some to the US with shorter shipping times. It looks like they are making the best lemonade they can.



Percentages didn't change but Ford execs announced the plan was a simultaneous delivery start in US and Europe. That probably meant the first ones would go to Europe as shipping takes longer. It sounds like Ford is now changing their tactic to get first deliveries in 2020 the only way they can.

This should also increase the odds that FE buyers will test drive their own cars.
It's still potentially consistent with the reports we have heard of a 2 month delay - original deliveries of FE planned for October may now be in December. Thinking in my case, with a reservation for a Premium SR AWD at 16xxx, I was probably looking at a November delivery that is very possibly now bumped to January.
 

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I don't see why the trains from Mexico to the US are faster than the trains from Mexico to the EU; it's probably Ford's fault...

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I think the issue is that they are driving the vehicles to the dealers and, for some reason, the charging network stops at the eastern seaboard.
 

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It sounds like Ford is now changing their tactic to get first deliveries in 2020 the only way they can.
Well not changing the plan is what they are saying if they corrected to simultaneous EU and US shipments previously. Looks like they were counting on shipping to EU in November and now aren't going to make it so, per their revision to the revision, shipping to US and EU in December but they won't get to EU until January 2021.

It is what it is, not really criticizing Ford for the changing dates with all the Covid-19 issues. I'll still have enough income in 2020 to pay $7,500 in Federal tax to get full tax break. Due to budget, OR will likley not finance the $2,500 EV credit in 2020 which may still be true in 2021.
 

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  1. cargo ships are slow
  2. cargo ships are very big
  3. overseas transport encounters lots of red tape
  4. trucks and trains are faster than cargo ships
  5. cars made in mexico in early december can make it overland to the US in small batches if necessary
 

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Hmmm....well if I want to speculate about something that interests me maybe you need to CTFO on it...dude.
Now now chaps, no need to get bitchy. It is what it is. Look at it this way, if those of you in the US get yours before we do on this side of the pond then you can 1. wax lyrical about how good the car is and tell us what to expect and 2. iron out the initial snags se we get perfect cars. Thanks guys
 

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Hmmm....well if I want to speculate about something that interests me maybe you need to CTFO on it...dude.
Speculate away my good man... speculate away. It's not like we've heard it from the horses mouth or anything like that.
 

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It's still potentially consistent with the reports we have heard of a 2 month delay - original deliveries of FE planned for October may now be in December. Thinking in my case, with a reservation for a Premium SR AWD at 16xxx, I was probably looking at a November delivery that is very possibly now bumped to January.
Agree about it being consistent with a (roughly) 2-month production delay. Where it appears there may be more shifting is in delivery. While there were some conflicting reports, it sounded like the earliest production units were targeted for ships to Europe (in order to offset the longer transport times). So that delivery would be nearly simultaneous between Europe and the US/Canada. Now it sounds like they're scrapping the front-loading of Europe and shipping to dealers in a more normal order. Meaning they'll show up in the US (and maybe Canada?) before Europe.

FWIW, I'm not so sure a 16xxx reservation number was going to get delivery in Nov (or even Dec) in the first place. I'd have guessed closer to Jan-Feb.
 

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  1. cargo ships are slow
  2. cargo ships are very big
  3. overseas transport encounters lots of red tape
  4. trucks and trains are faster than cargo ships
  5. cars made in mexico in early december can make it overland to the US in small batches if necessary
It would be interesting to see more on the logistics on transatlantic shipping of autos. I saw one documentary a few months ago about one of the big auto transport ships (8500 cars). I can only imagine how the whole process gets thrown out of whack with delays like this.

The ships surely continue to run on schedule whether Ford misses their slot for 1000 MMEs or not. And once you miss your slot, it could be many weeks (even months) before you get another one. I wouldn't doubt that's part of why Ford threw in the towel on any chance of 2020 arrivals in Europe. It's not like you can just book a ticket for the next day if you miss your slot.
 

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The ships surely continue to run on schedule whether Ford misses their slot for 1000 MMEs or not. And once you miss your slot, it could be many weeks (even months) before you get another one. I wouldn't doubt that's part of why Ford threw in the towel on any chance of 2020 arrivals in Europe. It's not like you can just book a ticket for the next day if you miss your slot.
Eloquently stated. I was being a smacked ass because, well, I am. I love watching shows like that too, and there is a tremendous amount of choreography involved with scheduling large ships into and out of busy ports. The coordination involved must be an absolute nightmare.
 

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Agree about it being consistent with a (roughly) 2-month production delay. Where it appears there may be more shifting is in delivery. While there were some conflicting reports, it sounded like the earliest production units were targeted for ships to Europe (in order to offset the longer transport times). So that delivery would be nearly simultaneous between Europe and the US/Canada. Now it sounds like they're scrapping the front-loading of Europe and shipping to dealers in a more normal order. Meaning they'll show up in the US (and maybe Canada?) before Europe.

FWIW, I'm not so sure a 16xxx reservation number was going to get delivery in Nov (or even Dec) in the first place. I'd have guessed closer to Jan-Feb.
Yeah. Perhaps - it does appear the reservation numbers are not entirely in sequence; time stamp is 11/23 so I would have guessed my order would be early in Premium production. At any event, it will be when it will be.
 

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It would be interesting to see more on the logistics on transatlantic shipping of autos. I saw one documentary a few months ago about one of the big auto transport ships (8500 cars). I can only imagine how the whole process gets thrown out of whack with delays like this.

The ships surely continue to run on schedule whether Ford misses their slot for 1000 MMEs or not. And once you miss your slot, it could be many weeks (even months) before you get another one. I wouldn't doubt that's part of why Ford threw in the towel on any chance of 2020 arrivals in Europe. It's not like you can just book a ticket for the next day if you miss your slot.
They could always make 8000 or so then hire their own ship. Wouldn't have to worry about schedules then.
 
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