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Before it was first shipments going to EU so they could arrive same time as US.
That's what I thought but the forum historians said that Ford over rode that dictum with later ones saying it will ship everywhere at once.
 

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That's what I thought but the forum historians said that Ford over rode that dictum with later ones saying it will ship everywhere at once.
More specifically, I don't think that Ford has directly talked about shipping times.
What Ford has been saying is that they will be delivered / available in both markets at the same time. As jlauro indicates, we'd have to assume that EU units would begin shipping first for that to happen.

https://www.motor1.com/news/403492/ford-mustang-mach-e-deliveries-plan/

And now, Ford is indicating that delays mean that EU will get later than US due to longer transport, which implies that the initial plan to ship to EU first to coincide with US deliveries has been scrapped.
 

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which implies that the initial plan to ship to EU first to coincide with US deliveries has been scrapped.
Ah...I thought the forum librarians were saying there never was a plan to ship to EU first and most. Moot now anyway, is what it is so first arrivals in EU in 2021 and that has be subject to change, who knows what will happen if we get second spike that overwhelms health care or shuts factory or limits factory.

I'm fine waiting and I think even though I moved to back of the line when I changed dealers, I'll still get one of the 50,000.
 

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Ah...I thought the forum librarians were saying there never was a plan to ship to EU first and most. Moot now anyway, is what it is so first arrivals in EU in 2021 and that has be subject to change, who knows what will happen if we get second spike that overwhelms health care or shuts factory or limits factory.

I'm fine waiting and I think even though I moved to back of the line when I changed dealers, I'll still get one of the 50,000.
We have heard that most of the 50,000 were bound for Europe. That's due to reservations.
What Ford said was they planned for simultaneous deliveries in US and EU. That could only happen if the first ones were produced for Europe and put on ships due to the longer delivery time.
Of course, all of that was pre-Covid.
 

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We have heard that most of the 50,000 were bound for Europe. That's due to reservations.
Has Ford said it was due to higher reservations or demand in the EU?
I thought the allocation of 60% to EU was driven by the emissions requirements and not necessarily a result of higher demand.
 

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Has Ford said it was due to higher reservations or demand in the EU?
I thought the allocation of 60% to EU was driven by the emissions requirements and not necessarily a result of higher demand.
You may be right. I recall the allocation was "demand driven" but that may have been the need for 30,000 units to satisfy the emissions requirements.
 

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We have heard that most of the 50,000 were bound for Europe.
I thought Ford said 60/40% allocation with first and 60% to EU but that all seems to have changed. I'm not stressing over, they'll ship when the ship, even if they give out dates, all kinds of stuff could happen.

I'm pretty sure I'll be able to buy a Mach-E in 2021.
 

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thought the allocation of 60% to EU was driven by the emissions requirements and not necessarily a result of higher demand.
That's what I thought also which is why the shifting dates has some significance as did whether UK counted to EU emissions credits.

Fords marching ahead with building and que sera, sera.
 

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I don't think auto mega transport ships are just sitting around idle waiting for someone to charter them.
Actually, there are. Five Norwegian owned ships are idling in the deep Norwegian Sognefjord as we speak. The five of them combined can load 30,000 cars. (Photo: "Asian Emperor")

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Actually, there are. Five Norwegian owned ships are idling in the deep Norwegian Sognefjord as we speak. The five of them combined can load 30,000 cars. (Photo: "Asian Emperor")

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Send them to mexico. If we are to believe the rumours 60% of 50,000 are coming to EUROPE, that's 30,000. How convenient. When up and running if the production line can make 1,000 a day, that's 4 and a bit weeks production. Could still get to us this year 🤞🤞 Wishful thinking lol
 

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Actually, there are. Five Norwegian owned ships are idling in the deep Norwegian Sognefjord as we speak. The five of them combined can load 30,000 cars. (Photo: "Asian Emperor")
At the moment while the world has been shut down, sure. Just like all the cruise ships currently anchored around the world.

But we're not talking about right now while the world is shut down. We're talking in 6 months when the world's auto plants are producing again like normal.

Unless of course Ford is hiding 6000 finished MMEs sitting around today that they didn't tell us about for June shipping. If so, then send it over! But in November when everyone of producing again, those ships are surely busy again too.
 

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Actually, there are. Five Norwegian owned ships are idling in the deep Norwegian Sognefjord as we speak. The five of them combined can load 30,000 cars. (Photo: "Asian Emperor")

Car ship.jpg
Yes, on May 24th with many production lines stopped or just getting restarted at diminished capacity those ships are sitting there. Presumably MANY cargo ships are idle (or at least were until very recently) for the same reason: much of the world shut down for 2 months. Presumably that will not be the case 6 months from now, or if it is then the Mach E won't be delivered ANYWHERE.

It sucks for those of you in the Netherlands that the cars won't make it to Europe in 2020, and Ford is absolutely to blame for pressuring you to sign contracts 2 weeks before they announced the delay. However, there is not much Ford can do about geography: the US is adjacent to Mexico, Europe is an ocean away. The only way to simultaneously deliver in the EU and US was to literally build a boatload of cars destined for Europe first, and while those were making their way across the Atlantic, make a second batch of cars for delivery to the US. Without the covid disruption the logistics of doing that were probably very complicated. Now it is likely impossible. We don't know if Ford is still going to make European cars first or not, but my hunch is that they would rather deliver cars SOMEWHERE rather than nowhere in December - so the first batch of cars will be sent to the much closer US. That may be why they can't give VIN numbers to The Netherlands in December.

I am speculating and have no real idea, but I don't think Ford is trying to snub Europe. I think they are just trying to be practical and save face at the same time
 

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... Ford is absolutely to blame for pressuring you to sign contracts 2 weeks before they announced the delay. However, there is not much Ford can do about geography: the US is adjacent to Mexico, Europe is an ocean away ...
We should also consider that Ford, Ford-Europe, and Ford-Netherlands may not have had any mal-intent with that timing. It is entirely possible Ford-Netherlands moved to enter into contract conversion on the schedule they had at the time, and that Ford had not yet determined they could not make a 2020 schedule. I'm willing to see that as a possibility, although it may just be wishful thinking.

However, there is not much Ford can do about geography: the US is adjacent to Mexico, Europe is an ocean away. The only way to simultaneously deliver in the EU and US was to literally build a boatload of cars destined for Europe first, and while those were making their way across the Atlantic, make a second batch of cars for delivery to the US. Without the covid disruption the logistics of doing that were probably very complicated. Now it is likely impossible. We don't know if Ford is still going to make European cars first or not, but my hunch is that they would rather deliver cars SOMEWHERE rather than nowhere in December - so the first batch of cars will be sent to the much closer US. That may be why they can't give VIN numbers to The Netherlands in December.

I am speculating and have no real idea, but I don't think Ford is trying to snub Europe. I think they are just trying to be practical and save face at the same time
It's quite possible the first cars Ford produces will still be destined for Europe. If the speculation on this form that it takes cares 30 days to get from Cuautitlan to European dealers is correct, and so is the 5000 cars per month production rate, it is still possible that Ford can start delivering cars in the US before Europe.

I could also see how, even if the first shipload go to the EU, the first cars could be delivered in the US in late November but the first delivered to the EU in January. That 30 days was our calculation, not anything from Ford.

I really hope Ford works out a deal to deliver the VINs in time for folks in the Netherlands to register their vehicles in 2020 if they want to.
 

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Yes, on May 24th with many production lines stopped or just getting restarted at diminished capacity those ships are sitting there. Presumably MANY cargo ships are idle (or at least were until very recently) for the same reason: much of the world shut down for 2 months. Presumably that will not be the case 6 months from now, or if it is then the Mach E won't be delivered ANYWHERE.

It sucks for those of you in the Netherlands that the cars won't make it to Europe in 2020, and Ford is absolutely to blame for pressuring you to sign contracts 2 weeks before they announced the delay. However, there is not much Ford can do about geography: the US is adjacent to Mexico, Europe is an ocean away. The only way to simultaneously deliver in the EU and US was to literally build a boatload of cars destined for Europe first, and while those were making their way across the Atlantic, make a second batch of cars for delivery to the US. Without the covid disruption the logistics of doing that were probably very complicated. Now it is likely impossible. We don't know if Ford is still going to make European cars first or not, but my hunch is that they would rather deliver cars SOMEWHERE rather than nowhere in December - so the first batch of cars will be sent to the much closer US. That may be why they can't give VIN numbers to The Netherlands in December.

I am speculating and have no real idea, but I don't think Ford is trying to snub Europe. I think they are just trying to be practical and save face at the same time
Well stated.

This could also lend some credence to the theory that Ford originally wanted to get some to Europe in 2020 to help mitigate the pending EU CAFE fines. But now that they can't get them there in time to matter for 2020, there's no reason not to just go ahead and start selling some ASAP without losing the extra month for transatlantic transport. It behooves them to get some into customers' hands as quickly as possible now. Reservation holders are getting restless.
 

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I could also see how, even if the first shipload go to the EU, the first cars could be delivered in the US in late November
I'm guessing Dec rather than Nov. I'm also guessing that most of the early ones will now just end up in California. Now that the whole "orderly" plan of getting them to Europe and the US at roughly the same time is out the window, I suspect the same goes for trying to get them to all 50 states at roughly the same time. So I suspect we're back to California getting most of the early ones like we see with most other BEVs.
 



 









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