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You keep connecting so called output battery efficiency with input charging rates. I disagree. Model 3 Tesla vehicles can only charge faster if a software upgrade exists and is applied for the level 3 charging rates. Clipper creek posts different charging rates for the Tesla vehicles with the 11
5kW on board charger than what you have stated. The mach e has a 11.5 kW on board charger. I say mach e on a 50 amp breaker with a larger evse charging cord than the Ford mobile charging cord will get more miles per hour of charging.
I'm just going to leave this right here in case it helps with calculations:
Mustang Mach-E has a 10.5 kW on-board charger
 

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I'm just going to leave this right here in case it helps with calculations:
Mustang Mach-E has a 10.5 kW on-board charger
I saw that too, but I'll guess it's a misprint. Ford lists 48 amps at 240v in multiple places which is 11.5 kw.
 

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I saw that too, but I'll guess it's a misprint. Ford lists 48 amps at 240v in multiple places which is 11.5 kw.
Yeah it's confusing. The hardwired Ford Connected Charging Station looks to be 48 amps / 240v about 32 miles per hour.

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Yeah it's confusing. The hardwired Ford Connected Charging Station looks to be 48 amps / 240v about 32 miles per hour.

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That's the one that would be my first choice. My guess is $500. (That would match Tesla.) Plus it looks like there will be lots of benefits to using that charger with the Ford app. Plus if you ever damage your car and you're using a third party charger like Clipper Creek I'm guessing your up a creek. :) If you're using a Ford charger with a Ford car and something is damaged I'm guessing that Ford would take care of you. Cheaper, better, faster, safer. Kind of a no brainer for me.
 

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I saw that too, but I'll guess it's a misprint. Ford lists 48 amps at 240v in multiple places which is 11.5 kw.
It will not charge 11.5 kw. If it does @ 48 amps you must go 125 percent higher breaker and
wire. Equals 60 amps. This will be #4 copper and 60 amp breaker for 70 amps that needs
to be installed. Too much math in this section. :oops:☺
 

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It will not charge 11.5 kw. If it does @ 48 amps you must go 125 percent higher breaker and
wire. Equals 60 amps. This will be #4 copper and 60 amp breaker for 70 amps that needs
to be installed. Too much math in this section. :oops:☺
Yep, that's already been covered. Current delivered max = 80% of the circuit rating. 48 amps delivered requires a 60 amp circuit. If you're adding a circuit anyways, might as well wire it for 60 amps. Assuming your main service can handle it.
 

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Buying and installing the fixed charge station in the garage also lets you keep the included mobile charging cable in the car so you don't have one of those, "Oops I left the charging cable in the garage" moments. We have headbolt outlets at my office so, when it's time to go home, the battery and car will be warm and fully charged (at the boss's expense:)).

Any guesses as to the cost comparison between the charging station vs. buying a second mobile charging cable (excluding charging station installation)?
 
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I know you do not want to hear "Tesla". But my Tesla Roadster (sold now) was charged
on a 50 amp 4 wire circuit. I would dial in 20 to 24 amps and never a problem. When
I had the time I would charge @ 120 volts and gained 12 miles over the 240 charge.
The charging is simple but without a EV for you to see and understand creates us to
make it confusing. Hey I like all the talk here and we all will learn a lot .;)

And I only had the receptacle on the wall and a Tesla cord. No charging station.
 
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Also the Tesla was rated @ 250 miles to the charge. I always got 283 @ 240 charge
and 295 @ 120 charge. So I think Mach will do a bit more than what is stated.
 

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Buying and installing the fixed charge station in the garage also lets you keep the included mobile charging cable in the car so you don't have one of those, "Oops I left the charging cable in the garage" moments. We have headbolt outlets at my office so, when it's time to go home, the battery and car will be warm and fully charged (at the boss's expense:)).

Any guesses as to the cost comparison between the charging station vs. buying a second mobile charging cable (excluding charging station installation)?
Just guessing here, but my bet is the Ford wall charger will come in real close to $500. The same or cheaper than most third party mobile charging cords. I'm sure not all.

As others have mentioned, yes, the included mobile charging cord works fine for most situations. As you've mentioned, I like keeping my mobile charging cord in the car, just in case. It's a PITA to always be pulling the cord out, plug it in to the wall, plug it in to the car. And the reverse the process to leave the house Uggh. With a wall charger, just grab the cord and plug it in when you get home. Reverse it to leave. Nice and convenient. Takes less than 5 seconds.

Two other things to consider. One: there's a 30% tax credit for installing an EV charging station. An extra 240v outlet does not get this credit. Two: If you think you might ever have two EVs, most wall chargers--I'm guessing the Ford too, but I don't know--allow you to share one circuit with multiple chargers. They talk to each other and limit the total current to the max allowed for your circuit. This is very convenient if you don't have service capability to add multiple 60a circuits. This will probably include most homes more than a few years old. If you just use outlets and the included mobile charger in this case, you're going to have to go out to the garage in the middle of the night to swap chargers. With connected wall chargers, they'll cut the current in half while charging two, and when one finishes charging the other will automatically get full power.
 

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"there's a 30% tax credit for installing an EV charging station"
Is that a WA state tax credit? I hadn't heard there was a federal credit for charging stations.
 

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Is that a WA state tax credit? I hadn't heard there was a federal credit for charging stations.
OK, now you've made me laugh. ROFL. Seriously. Jay Inslee, Governer of Washington, the "Climate Change Candidate" do absolutely anything to help EV adoption or anything at all to actually fight climate change? No, no, no. WA state penalizes your EV charging station if you get a building permit--which of course as a good citizen I did--and has excessive penalties when you register your EV. LOL

Federally I think is different. I read an article in Inside EVs that Congress passed a bill in December that--retroactively even--gave a 30% tax credit for installing an EV charging station. According to the article Trump signed it. I have not yet done my taxes yet, so I can't swear the article was correct.
 

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Federally I think is different. I read an article in Inside EVs that Congress passed a bill in December that--retroactively even--gave a 30% tax credit for installing an EV charging station. According to the article Trump signed it. I have not yet done my taxes yet, so I can't swear the article was correct.
Great info. Thanks. Not sure how I missed this little bonus. I've already downloaded the form - IRS Form 8911. https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i8911.pdf And, yes, it is retroactive for 2019 and extended thru tax year 2020.
 
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