Ford Confirms: Owners Won't Need Tesla App to Supercharge

[apwelsh]

Don't know how many times people will keep bringing this up, but you will NOT be able to use the same adapter for DC fast charging at a Tesla SuperCharger and level 2 charging at a Tesla Destination Charger. Will NOT.

And yet, we don’t have the adaptor to know. Just a bunch of empty promises, so arguing this as if it is facts is pointless. Nothing wrong with being curious if it will regardless of the claims, because again, we don’t have it.

for all you know, the photos of the adapto are fake and it will end up being just a Level 2 charge, and they will have some spin on why it can’t do DC. Until it is in the hands of consumers, it isn’t official.

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[Logal727]

Mind pointing me in the right direction about this?

I can't say more specifically about it, but I didn't like that you said it was incompetence, I know a lot of smart people are working on this and there's only so much they can control.

 

[kltye]

I can't say more specifically about it, but I didn't like that you said it was incompetence, I know a lot of smart people are working on this and there's only so much they can control.

Gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up. I think we're all just pretty frustrated about this whole thing and the lack of communication from Ford definitely doesn't help - especially if they can hint at pointing the blame somewhere else.

 

[Logal727]

Gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up. I think we're all just pretty frustrated about this whole thing and the lack of communication from Ford definitely doesn't help - especially if they can hint at pointing the blame somewhere else.

A lot of us have communicated that sentiment as well.

 

[Hammered]

tesla does support ISO 15118 - it works in EU just fine along with magic dock deployments here in NA.

the ISO 15118 spec is more than just Plug&Charge. yes, tesla does its own authorization on its own cars in the US and it probably isn't ISO 15118's Plug&Charge which would generally require them to allow passthrough to an external authorization+payment provider.

Don't forget the other thing tesla does, once a vehicle gets a salvaged title, it's blocked from the SC network. There may be other factors out there that get cars placed on the blacklist. Don't follow it close enough to know.

And yet, we don’t have the adaptor to know. Just a bunch of empty promises, so arguing this as if it is facts is pointless. Nothing wrong with being curious if it will regardless of the claims, because again, we don’t have it.

for all you know, the photos of the adapto are fake and it will end up being just a Level 2 charge, and they will have some spin on why it can’t do DC. Until it is in the hands of consumers, it isn’t official.

This is quite clearly settled. Your misunderstanding of this topic doesn't mean everyone else is as well. It makes zero sense to combine the AC and HVDC side of an adapter and could damage some vehicles. It's clear you don't understand the variables involved here and no amount of wishful thinking will change that. The adapter ford is providing has 1 purpose, to connect tesla superchargers to the HVDC side of the vehicle. That's it.

 

[RickMachE]

A lot of us have communicated that sentiment as well.

One of Ford's biggest impediments to their EV business is COMMUNICATION. Overall, it sucks. When they give it, it's missing details. Rarely do they give it. It's like every time they want to say something, a lawyer tells them not to. I don't want a constant stream of information, but it's been a pisspore experience over the last 2.5 years. Even within the company - person A says something, then person B says a totally different thing, within the same department and at senior levels.

That has to change for them to compete in this space.

 

[azerik]

It took them 2 years to deliver a frunk button and all the hardware was in place...

Yeah, that track record.

It stands to say that if the docks work without software the software MUST be somewhere else. Be it your phone and (1, 2 or 3 apps to get it to work) Or a backend change that middle mans Tesla -> <software change ->BOCN -> <Software change -> Tesla.

 

[GreaseMonkey]

There is no basis for thinking that BOCN won't always be free. Not a hint that it will be a fee-service.
Anyone should do the math to see if Tesla at $12 a month makes sense for the discount, just like they do for any other network. On the right trip, it might make sense. On an annual basis, you need to do a lot of driving.

EA's discount makes sense for us 3 or 4 times a year.

It makes sense. I just noticed that BOCN is the only connected service without a trial expiration date.

 

[timbop]

Gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up. I think we're all just pretty frustrated about this whole thing and the lack of communication from Ford definitely doesn't help - especially if they can hint at pointing the blame somewhere else.

Sure - but there are 2 results of them going public: piss off a strategic partner who might potentially sue, OR you get stuff like this because they announced something without concurrently delivering on every customer's doorstep:

And yet, we don’t have the adaptor to know. Just a bunch of empty promises, so arguing this as if it is facts is pointless. Nothing wrong with being curious if it will regardless of the claims, because again, we don’t have it.

for all you know, the photos of the adapto are fake and it will end up being just a Level 2 charge, and they will have some spin on why it can’t do DC. Until it is in the hands of consumers, it isn’t official.

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It makes sense. I just noticed that BOCN is the only connected service without a trial expiration date.

Which just happened last fall, so it's clear that a decision was made to skip trying to make money on BOCN and use it as a basic feature to address how much of a PITA most people view public charging. Some day in the future that might change, but it really feels like Ford knows where the stumbling block is to wider EV adoption (besides politics). Farley's not a dumb guy or an arrogant blowhard: he clearly listened when he took that trip with his lighting and thought about what people had to say

 

[mkhuffman]

I can't say more specifically about it, but I didn't like that you said it was incompetence, I know a lot of smart people are working on this and there's only so much they can control.

Whomever you are talking to has blocked me, so obviously he is an idiot. Why waste your time?

 

[ArthurDOB]

From the article: " Ford says the (app) functionality will work with V3 and later Tesla Superchargers."

I know nothing about Tesla Charging Stations. How do you know if it's a V3 Supercharger or not? Are they labeled as such?

 

[RickMachE]

It makes sense. I just noticed that BOCN is the only connected service without a trial expiration date.

It used to have one.

From the article: " Ford says the (app) functionality will work with V3 and later Tesla Superchargers."

I know nothing about Tesla Charging Stations. How do you know if it's a V3 Supercharger or not? Are they labeled as such?

It doesn't matter, since you won't see them in the app as available to charge at. Hopefully PlugShare will allow us to differentiate them also.

 

[GreaseMonkey]

BOCN charging the high per kilowatt-hour rate doesn’t encourage people to use it. They should charge an annual or monthly subscription and offer the discounted rate. It would be a better value proposition for everyone involved. Maybe it wouldn’t make sense for all Mach-E customers, but it would for many.

 

[ArthurDOB]

It doesn't matter, since you won't see them in the app as available to charge at. Hopefully PlugShare will allow us to differentiate them also.

I can't imagine FordApp wouldn't show the available V2s as well since (I'm pretty sure) we can use them to charge, too. The way I understand it, the V2s just can't be controlled by FordApp. It doesn't make sense to me that they'd be invisible to us on it if we can use them

 

[RickMachE]

Gotta love all the "they should this" and "they should that".

BOCN offered a discount for using EA, same as EA's discount, back in 2021. It had issues, so they yanked it. They intended to bring it back, but haven't. It isn't because they cannot get the EA discount to work, there's something else going on. For people to think that Ford is clueless about this, is simply silly.

Also silly is thinking that the general population is fine with having a bunch of apps, and could navigate the charging landscape without one point of contact like BOCN, clearly haven't traveled much nor read people's questions and comments on other platforms. The general population can be divided into a few groups:

- Those that understand it all and can use any app just fine
- Those that understand it all but want ONE app
- Those that don't understand it because it's too confusing
- Those that aren't of sufficient intelligence to even charge with just one app.

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