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I really appreciate how willing Farley is to change things very vocally. It gives me a lot of confidence that Ford has what it takes to survive and thrive through the disruption in the industry despite the initial pains from making the shift.
 

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Good move.
 

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At a minimum, Model E Elite dealers will need to install two high-powered DC fast chargers and a level 2 charging station, as well as offer at least one DC fast charger available for the public to use...Model E Certified dealers are only required to install one DC fast charger, and it must be made available for public use.

This won't help in many cities where dealers are located and infrastructure is already going in but will be a big improvement to charging infrastructure in rural areas.

I hope Ford adds up-time requirements on those chargers.
 

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At a minimum, Model E Elite dealers will need to install two high-powered DC fast chargers and a level 2 charging station, as well as offer at least one DC fast charger available for the public to use...Model E Certified dealers are only required to install one DC fast charger, and it must be made available for public use.

This won't help in many cities where dealers are located and infrastructure is already going in but will be a big improvement to charging infrastructure in rural areas.

I hope Ford adds up-time requirements on those chargers.
Or a charging rate requirement. 25kW still counts as "high powered".

That said, I am not sure I would want to spend time waiting at a dealer while I charge, but I suppose any port in a storm if you need it.
 


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Or a charging rate requirement. 25kW still counts as "high powered".

That said, I am not sure I would want to spend time waiting at a dealer while I charge, but I suppose any port in a storm if you need it.
Yeah, it can be a lifesaver -- I was transporting my new Bolt from Nashville to Memphis, and the Nissan dealership in between that had an L2 charger really saved my bacon when I knew I'd need 20-30 additional miles to make it home (I think I made it home with about 20 miles to spare!). I sat there in my car and read the owner's manual while I waited 😄 Fun times!
 
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At a minimum, Model E Elite dealers will need to install two high-powered DC fast chargers and a level 2 charging station, as well as offer at least one DC fast charger available for the public to use...Model E Certified dealers are only required to install one DC fast charger, and it must be made available for public use.

This won't help in many cities where dealers are located and infrastructure is already going in but will be a big improvement to charging infrastructure in rural areas.

I hope Ford adds up-time requirements on those chargers.
My family has a camp in very rural Concord, VT. There is nothing up there for DCFC. Well except for a Ford dealership 9 miles away. Brand new Chargepoint 62kW chargers. Took me longer to drive there and back than it took to add the miles I needed. Yes, a bit out of the way but better than no option and the drive over is gorgeous 😊
 

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At a minimum, Model E Elite dealers will need to install two high-powered DC fast chargers and a level 2 charging station, as well as offer at least one DC fast charger available for the public to use...Model E Certified dealers are only required to install one DC fast charger, and it must be made available for public use.

This won't help in many cities where dealers are located and infrastructure is already going in but will be a big improvement to charging infrastructure in rural areas.

I hope Ford adds up-time requirements on those chargers.
Maybe! One can read on plugshare of rural locations that are greeted with a $1000 a month demand charges for installing dcfc. The grid system needs upgrading and capacity needs to be boostded.
 

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At a minimum, Model E Elite dealers will need to install two high-powered DC fast chargers and a level 2 charging station, as well as offer at least one DC fast charger available for the public to use...Model E Certified dealers are only required to install one DC fast charger, and it must be made available for public use.

This won't help in many cities where dealers are located and infrastructure is already going in but will be a big improvement to charging infrastructure in rural areas.

I hope Ford adds up-time requirements on those chargers.
Level 2 charging should be required at all dealerships with at least one 14-50 outlet. My reasoning - my ME would stop charging about 10 minutes into the charge. I didn't think it was the mobile charger because it never showed a fault and it wasn't my breaker tripping. Ended up taking the car and the mobile charger to the dealership. They said they had no way to test the charger (they have hardwired level 2). Thankfully the issue was fixed with a software update and clearing some faults. They basically told me that if I was still having the issue I would need to bring it back.
 

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At a minimum, Model E Elite dealers will need to install two high-powered DC fast chargers and a level 2 charging station, as well as offer at least one DC fast charger available for the public to use...Model E Certified dealers are only required to install one DC fast charger, and it must be made available for public use.

This won't help in many cities where dealers are located and infrastructure is already going in but will be a big improvement to charging infrastructure in rural areas.

I hope Ford adds up-time requirements on those chargers.
For the next 5 years or so, there will be no such thing as enough DCFC infrastructure. The ratio of cars to chargers is going in the wrong direction really fast at the moment.
 

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At a minimum, Model E Elite dealers will need to install two high-powered DC fast chargers and a level 2 charging station, as well as offer at least one DC fast charger available for the public to use...Model E Certified dealers are only required to install one DC fast charger, and it must be made available for public use.
Seriously?? Requiring DCFC at dealerships is stupid, unless they feel it's necessary internally (service dept testing).

This is a good way to get dealers NOT to become EV certified. At least if the requirement is for high power DCFC. If it's just 25kW or something, that's probably not wildly expensive.
 

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Maybe! One can read on plugshare of rural locations that are greeted with a $1000 a month demand charges for installing dcfc. The grid system needs upgrading and capacity needs to be boostded.
All the more reason we should discourage DCFC and encourage L2 charging overnight where people sleep. At the lowest demand period of the day where it's actually good for the grid (as a demand leveler).

There certainly needs to be DCFC for travelers and other rare situations, but otherwise it should be heavily discouraged. Probably the best way to do that is to jack the prices up (and stop with any free DCFC). Make it highly compelling to L2 instead of DCFC.
 

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At a minimum, Model E Elite dealers will need to install two high-powered DC fast chargers and a level 2 charging station, as well as offer at least one DC fast charger available for the public to use...Model E Certified dealers are only required to install one DC fast charger, and it must be made available for public use.

This won't help in many cities where dealers are located and infrastructure is already going in but will be a big improvement to charging infrastructure in rural areas.

I hope Ford adds up-time requirements on those chargers.
There are more than a couple of locations where Ford is going to have to be flexible with these rules or face having no ev dealer at all. Electric grid Infrastructure isn’t the same everywhere. What works in suburban California often won’t work at all in other areas. One size does not fit all and I’m reasonably certain Ford does not want to strand its 2023 and earlier ev customers.
 

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Maybe! One can read on plugshare of rural locations that are greeted with a $1000 a month demand charges for installing dcfc. The grid system needs upgrading and capacity needs to be boostded.
Or the FEE STRUCTURES need to be changed. It seems odd that utilities are getting net metering thrown out so they can buy electricity from home solar at wholesale rates, but then resell that electricity at exorbitant terms with demand charges. 🤔

There are more than a couple of locations where Ford is going to have to be flexible with these rules or face having no ev dealer at all. Electric grid Infrastructure isn’t the same everywhere. What works in suburban California often won’t work at all in other areas. One size does not fit all and I’m reasonably certain Ford does not want to strand its 2023 and earlier ev customers.
Absolutely. If Ford isn't careful they will cut their own throats. I said it in the other thread, but it seems ludicrous that Ford wants to have the benefit of a nationwide charging network without making any investment. This is going to backfire on them either from losing initial sales or when their network has poor coverage due to too few chargers at too slow of a speed with poor maintenance.
 

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Absolutely. If Ford isn't careful they will cut their own throats. I said it in the other thread, but it seems ludicrous that Ford wants to have the benefit of a nationwide charging network without making any investment. This is going to backfire on them either from losing initial sales or when their network has poor coverage due to too few chargers at too slow of a speed with poor maintenance.
From my own parochial point of view, this has the potential to blow up. I know the local dealer was not happy with the cost of two commercial L2 installations at two locations. Everything is several magnitudes more expensive out here. I’d be surprised if both of the dealers locations could support the required DCFC. Both locales could certainly use it as the Greenlots stations are beyond bad here.

Anyway, we shall see what happens on the Orchid Isle in a few months.

 

 
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