Ford Mustang Mach-E Price Expected To Rise Come Monday

[RUHAWAIIAN]

I actually just logged into Ford and noticed my order went up another $600 too! Without any notice. I assuming it's for Blue cruise but I would have liked to have been notified.

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[Jeffvisor]

This is on your order page? FWIW, the price hasn't changed on mine and when I look under key features, it lists BlueCruise as if it's included. I'm not sure if I would actually use BlueCruise so in my case, I'd rather have the 600 bucks. But so far it looks like I'm getting it for free, which doesn't make any sense. Or maybe when it's listed, it's just saying it's BlueCruise ready.

And I fully agree that they can't/shouldn't raise your price after you've ordered...

My order hasn't changed in price but now list BlueCruise as well. I will be curious if its included when I get the car.

 

[BradCA]

Why are they charging 600$ for something that Tesla charges 0 for. I feel like this is a terrible plan. I see no difference in what the mach e does now vs using the BlueCruise other than the hands free, that is not worth $600. unless features will stop working. Or am I missing something? They need to hurry up and get more information out to us.

Tesla charges $10,000 for this feature

 

[generaltso]

Tesla charges $10,000 for this feature

They actually don't. If you pay $10,000 for "Full Self Driving", you still won't get hands-free driving. It's not available.

 

[Flyinillini]

I just logged in and my listed price went up $600 dollars and now says “BlueCruise” under features. Luckily I have a signed sheet from the dealer that listed my sale price minus the 600 dollars. While I probably would have bought the BlueCruise because why not..I agree with others that’s it’s pretty bad on Fords part to raise the price after you agreed to a purchase price. You can bet I’m going to hold my dealer to the agreed purchase price. We will see how much luck I have. Really sleazy look for Ford…and like others have said it leaves a bad taste in your mouth.

 

[BMT1071]

Checked mine again just now because all these posts about changes are making me paranoid. The only changes on the Ford site since the day I placed my order are the addition of a production date and the 'key features' change from ADAS prep kit to BlueCruise. ???? it stays that way.

 

[HuntingPudel]

Heh, the only thing that changed on my order when I converted from a reservation (other than selecting the GT-PE package) was that my interior protection package disappeared. I sent an email to my dealer asking if it could be re-added.

 

[Stang68]

You are making a distinction between how the system determines it is being monitored, not how capable the system is. Tesla uses pressure on the steering wheel because they believe it's safer for the person monitoring the system to be ready to take over at a moments notice and also feel the wheel movements so you can better monitor what it's doing it all times. For all intents and purposes it is actually more "hands free" than Supercruise in that it can handle far, far more situations without requiring human intervention. Like night and day difference.

I can't speak to Bluecruise because I haven't used it but I would be surprised if it's more capable than current iterations of Autopilot in terms of handling difficult situations or various anomolies that can crop up suddenly, without requiring human intervention.

IMO, with these systems you want at least one hand on the wheel for monitoring purposes until they are capable of safely driving without a human monitor. If I need my hands for something, and it is safe to do so, I will drive hands free but not with other potentially unpredictable traffic around.

I'm sorry, but you're incorrect. Tesla itself will say Autopilot is NOT a hands-free system.

Super Cruise and Blue Cruise literally are, as demonstrated by each manufacturer.

Here's an informative video if you additional help with the distinction:

 

[guyofthesky]

Tesla's increase was due to lumber shortages.

I love that photo.

It is, however, a pretty clean install, considering the type of shop in which it likely was done.

 

[guyofthesky]

Here we are talking about an article in a “news” site that is talking about a post on our own forum where some user said that some dealer said that the price will go up. We are the source of the article. And it’s been posted to fb about twice an hour since yesterday. So now not only is this the biggest circle jerk I’ve seen a long time, but it’s honest to God Facebook official. Let’s see if we can get this to be the next article be insideevs as quoted from Macheforum.com via Facebook ...

The Mach-E tires are compounded with the hoof trimmings of actual mustangs raised on a ranch in the Nevada desert which was once owned by the 3rd cousin (twice removed) of Henry Ford’s illegitimate nephew Homer. It doesn’t get any more Ford Mustang than that. And you heard it here first.

What about the other illegitimate nephew?

 

[guyofthesky]

Well, the problem is that the Premium is now a $65K car with TTL in California. And the GT is only $2K more?

One thing I've learned about cars, there's rarely a need to rush, and you are almost always rewarded by waiting, even on this one. There's a ton of EV's and plugins in the pipeline. They'll all drive better than a typical gas vehicle because of the weight and power. Once the more reliable brands and better dealer networks get in the game you'll get that too. And, in a few years the charging networks will improve, the batteries will get larger, and you'll be replacing your Mach E in 3 years because something new and better will have come along.

No need at all to rush.

I don't agree. I can't wait for my three years to pass, so that I can trade my MME for something better.

So I have buy right away, just to get the clock started.

Just kidding...

 

[LagerHead]

I'm sorry, but you're incorrect. Tesla itself will say Autopilot is NOT a hands-free system.

Again, it depends upon whether "hands free" refers the method by which each system monitors the driver or means the system never requires human intervention. By the first measure, Supercruise is more "hands-free", by the second measure, neither system can be considered hands-free because the driver is instructed to be ready at a moments notice to put their hands on the wheel and take over. So, it's only "hands-free" until it isn't.

Super Cruise and Blue Cruise literally are, as demonstrated by each manufacturer.

Here's an informative video if you additional help with the distinction:

This Youtuber refers to the GM system as "self-driving system". How come this is dangerously irresponsible when Tesla does it but perfectly fine when GM does it? Doesn't "self-driving system" imply it doesn't need a driver?

On a related note, it's odd that people get all hot and bothered when Tesla refers to their system as "Autopilot" but no one seems to care if people refer to GM or Ford's system as "hands free", a term that implies you can set it and forget it, your hands are no longer necessary.

It's a definite double-standard to be upset by the terms Self-driving and Autopilot when Tesla uses those terms but the same person thinks Co-Pilot, self driving, and hand-free are perfectly fine and not damngerous or irresponsible at all when applied to GM's or Ford's systems. It shows an extreme anti-Tesla bias.

It's all the more ironic when one finds out just how much more advanced Tesla's driver aids actually are today than anything GM or Ford have in the lab. I know this upsets Ford or GM fans but I have to call it how I actually see it based upon all the evidence. This is widely known by people in the field of robotics and autonomy to be true.

 

[LagerHead]

One thing I've learned about cars, there's rarely a need to rush, and you are almost always rewarded by waiting, even on this one. There's a ton of EV's and plugins in the pipeline. They'll all drive better than a typical gas vehicle because of the weight and power.

I totally agree with this - there is no comparison to the power delivery and low center of gravity of EV (vs. ICE).

And, in a few years the charging networks will improve, the batteries will get larger, and you'll be replacing your Mach E in 3 years because something new and better will have come along.

Charging networks have been improving very substantially every year over the last decade. The number of new fast chargers I have access to within 600 miles has grown dramatically in just two years.

But I hope batteries don't get larger, in fact, they have actually been shrinking in both size and weight. I think what you mean is ranges will improve - the number of miles covered without charging. And that will certainly be true even as batteries become smaller and lighter.

 

[Stang68]

Again, it depends upon whether "hands free" refers the method by which each system monitors the driver or means the system never requires human intervention. By the first measure, Supercruise is more "hands-free", by the second measure, neither system can be considered hands-free because the driver is instructed to be ready at a moments notice to put their hands on the wheel and take over. So, it's only "hands-free" until it isn't.



This Youtuber refers to the GM system as "self-driving system". How come this is dangerously irresponsible when Tesla does it but perfectly fine when GM does it? Doesn't "self-driving system" imply it doesn't need a driver?

On a related note, it's odd that people get all hot and bothered when Tesla refers to their system as "Autopilot" but no one seems to care if people refer to GM or Ford's system as "hands free", a term that implies you can set it and forget it, your hands are no longer necessary.

It's a definite double-standard to be upset by the terms Self-driving and Autopilot when Tesla uses those terms but the same person thinks Co-Pilot, self driving, and hand-free are perfectly fine and not damngerous or irresponsible at all when applied to GM's or Ford's systems. It shows an extreme anti-Tesla bias.

It's all the more ironic when one finds out just how much more advanced Tesla's driver aids actually are today than anything GM or Ford have in the lab. I know this upsets Ford or GM fans but I have to call it how I actually see it based upon all the evidence. This is widely known by people in the field of robotics and autonomy to be true.

Now we're just down to semantics, but I could argue that yes, GM and soon Ford will have a true hands-free system for specific situations when Tesla's website still calls Autopilot a "hands-on" system. To me, that's a huge difference.

And I don't think there's a double-standard when people are getting into deadly accidents in Teslas with no one in the driver's seat because they think their car drives itself. GM and Ford have eye monitoring solutions to prevent dumb behavior, but Elon Musk insists that's never going to happen in a Tesla. Why? Seems like a good way to monitor that someone is actually in the driver's seat.

I actually like Teslas and have considered getting one, but I don't like they way they have rolled out Autopilot (just look at what Tesla's lawyer told the MVC recently about the FSD beta) and how lax they are with messaging and driver attention safety. Plus, it seems they just get away with straight up lying, like any other Silicon Valley company.

 

[LagerHead]

And I don't think there's a double-standard when people are getting into deadly accidents in Teslas with no one in the driver's seat because they think their car drives itself. GM and Ford have eye monitoring solutions to prevent dumb behavior, but Elon Musk insists that's never going to happen in a Tesla. Why? Seems like a good way to monitor that someone is actually in the driver's seat.

It appears you are still unaware that the initial statement by the officer in the recent Texas crash that he was "100% sure" there was no one in the driver's seat at the time of impact was incorrect. There was a driver present at the time of impact and the earlier reports were irresponsible speculation.

Unless you know of some other Tesla fatality that happened with no one in the driver's seat?

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