Ford Mustang Mach-E Ultimate Charging Guide

[GoGoGadgetMachE]

The first half of this video is a wonderfully informative tutorial for novices to home charging. The only nits I would pick here are:

1. He could have elaborated that there’s almost zero utility to keeping the “mobile charger” in the car. At one point he even says it could be useful to plug in at 120v if the alternative is calling a tow. But really is it? It would likely be faster to call a (free) tow to a fast charger even if that tow took a couple hours.
2. Probably should have mentioned manual’s 90% recommendation.

Now the second half of the video re public charging. Ugh. Look, this thing played like a Ford infomercial that bears no relation to my experience, or the experience of most others I’ve seen, when it comes to the “ease” of public charging. Either he’s the luckiest dude in the world or he really glossed over the experience. A few things in particular:

1. Fails to mention that you can’t access discounted pricing through FP (aside from the free EA kWh)
2. FP is hardly the streamlined process he describes. Not even close.
3. He waaaaay oversimplifies the public charging process, and you’re supposed to initiate the charge through FP before you plug in. What he shows in the video at 28:40 is clearly fake!
4. Plug and Charge just worked perfectly for him, huh? Yeah for most other people not so much.

you really are Mr. Negative, aren't you? even when you're talking about the "good half" you're like "well it's not really good"...

You literally can watch him do the charging initiation. Tom is not going to fake it in his videos. Charging knowledge is literally everything he has based his public persona on. It's ridiculous that you think he's going to fake a video. Says more about you, actually.

And Plug and Charge worked for me last week when I tried it:

hey, I have a car! | Page 7 | Ford Mustang Mach-E Forum - MachEforum.com

It worked for @trutolife27 on his recent trip:

Imperator Furiosa Mache Two long road trips How was Fast charging? | Ford Mustang Mach-E Forum - MachEforum.com

The reality - real reality, not your distorted, wrong view of it - is that P&C has come a long way in a short time. Even Mr. "This is worse than an F-250 you can't put diesel into" has said so. (Not tagging on purpose.)

I'm going to give you some advice here. All over this forum, you've been posting negative post after negative post, putting everything at the same level of importance (it's not!), ignoring when people call you out, and in general just looking for ways to be an assh*le.

I know for a fact some important people already Ignore you as a result. Pretty soon everybody on here that actually knows anything will be ignoring you.

Take a step back, and ask if this is really what you want people to think about you. For all I know, it might be.

I won't know, because I'm about to join the growing list of people that Ignore you.

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[eltonlin]

P&C worked great for me at two stops on my road trip to LA a few weeks ago.

Video generally is spot on - wish I saw this a year ago!

 

[stmache]

This video did what it said it would do. I was not expecting him to point out the issues. As things get worked on and issues fixed, the video would become dated.

I, for one, was very interested in the part where he showed how to set up charging locations and a pre-conditioning schedule. Something not many reviewers have taken the time to show.

I sure hope when my Mach-E shows up (any day/week now), the updates that have come out for the car and, possibly, on the EA network will make P&C the benefit it was designed to be.

 

[Mirak]

you really are Mr. Negative, aren't you? even when you're talking about the "good half" you're like "well it's not really good"...

You literally can watch him do the charging initiation. Tom is not going to fake it in his videos. Charging knowledge is literally everything he has based his public persona on. It's ridiculous that you think he's going to fake a video. Says more about you, actually.

And Plug and Charge worked for me last week when I tried it:

hey, I have a car! | Page 7 | Ford Mustang Mach-E Forum - MachEforum.com

It worked for @trutolife27 on his recent trip:

Imperator Furiosa Mache Two long road trips How was Fast charging? | Ford Mustang Mach-E Forum - MachEforum.com

The reality - real reality, not your distorted, wrong view of it - is that P&C has come a long way in a short time. Even Mr. "This is worse than an F-250 you can't put diesel into" has said so. (Not tagging on purpose.)

I'm going to give you some advice here. All over this forum, you've been posting negative post after negative post, putting everything at the same level of importance (it's not!), ignoring when people call you out, and in general just looking for ways to be an assh*le.

I know for a fact some important people already Ignore you as a result. Pretty soon everybody on here that actually knows anything will be ignoring you.

Take a step back, and ask if this is really what you want people to think about you. For all I know, it might be.

I won't know, because I'm about to join the growing list of people that Ignore you.

Woah.

As of now, I have over 600 posts on this forum with a reaction score of over 800. That doesn’t seem very negative. I also spend a lot of time on here trying to help others with answering questions I’ve already figured out.

As I have said repeatedly, at least a half-dozen times (you can verify using the search function), I LOVE my MME. It is mechanically nearly flawless.

Yes, I am frustrated by bugs and charging issues, but I try to discuss those in a constructive way. One of the benefits of this forum it to be able to confirm whether others are having the same issues and to get advice and solutions.

When I said the first half of this video was a wonderful tutorial, I genuinely meant that. How you can twist that into a negative is.... rather negative. Regarding the public charging segment, I am glad that some have not had issues. But MANY have. Significant issues. There are entire threads on this topic. See, e.g.
https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/avoid-plug-and-charge-for-now.4346/

Or see Out Of Spec Kyle’s or Alex on Autos’ YouTube videos, to name just a few.

Even if the public charging worked perfectly for Tom, and it has sometimes worked for me also with a little elbow grease, the initiation process does not work nearly as fast as this video depicts.

Now, I am making a reach here so my sincere apologies if I’m getting this wrong, but you seem upset that I have recently sparred with one particular poster who first suggested we were disrespecting the dead by discussing Tesla versus Ford driver assistance features, and then later used the racism card in a different thread - the card wasn’t even thrown at me, by the way - but I felt compelled to step in because I like this forum and I want to maintain a degree of civility here. Unfounded charges of racism poison the well, and we need a place like macheforum.

If he, you, and anyone else wishes to “block” me, that is your prerogative. But I have never blocked anyone, even if I disagree with their POV, because I am not offended by different viewpoints and find them helpful toward gaining a more complete understanding of issues.

 

[kirkus02]

I've been looking around the forum and i know there really isn't a straightforward answer for this question until more time and experiences give data. But is there a general rule of thumb for what is an acceptable frequency of using DCFC? The general consensus seems to be to not use it often...but does that mean only on road trips? Or is like once a month ok if it's needed?

 

[ChasingCoral]

I've been looking around the forum and i know there really isn't a straightforward answer for this question until more time and experiences give data. But is there a general rule of thumb for what is an acceptable frequency of using DCFC? The general consensus seems to be to not use it often...but does that mean only on road trips? Or is like once a month ok if it's needed?

Sure, road trips plus once a month is probably fine. Some folks will use frequent DCFC as their primary charging. That's what causes more degradation.

 

[sinbinner]

I've found this study published last year to be a very useful guide.

https://www.geotab.com/blog/ev-battery-health/

The TL;DR summary pretty much supports what others recommend here (minimize DCFC, keep SoC within limits), but it also points out that occasional DCFC (<3x/month) is not going to dramatically affect battery health, so as long as that is not your primary source of charging, you should be fine.

 

[BMT1071]

I've found this study published last year to be a very useful guide.

https://www.geotab.com/blog/ev-battery-health/

The TL;DR summary pretty much supports what others recommend here (minimize DCFC, keep SoC within limits), but it also points out that occasional DCFC (<3x/month) is not going to dramatically affect battery health, so as long as that is not your primary source of charging, you should be fine.

While battery degradation varies by model and external conditions – such as climate and charging type – the majority of vehicles on the road today have not experienced significant decline. In fact, overall degradation has been very modest, with an average capacity loss of just 2.3% per year. Under ideal climate and charging conditions, the loss is 1.6%.

Pretty small difference between average and ideal. Charge and use the vehicle in the way that works best for you and don't worry about battery degradation is my takeaway.

 

[UW2]

So are people who drive their MMEs a lot getting 200 miles of charge for overnight charging? (e.g. charging from 20% to 90%)

 

[Mirak]

So are people who drive their MMEs a lot getting 200 miles of charge for overnight charging? (e.g. charging from 20% to 90%)

Yes. Takes about 9hrs to do that with the mobile charger on a 240v 40amp circuit. My experience with the mobile charger in the garage has been nearly flawless.

 

[Woeo]

Woah.

As of now, I have over 600 posts on this forum with a reaction score of over 800. That doesn’t seem very negative.

Does 800 reactions translate to 800 likes?

 

[rikker]

this is a wonderful video. it's maybe the first one I've seen that presents the Mach-E appropriately and explains things in a clear, direct way.

there's a tiny nit with one part I could pick, but it's not important enough to get in to.

@Administrator I suggest this be stickied because it can help a lot of a new owners.

I have a question about charging the Mach E. Does the ChargePoint Homeflex or the Mach E software require a Nema 14-50 with neutral or can you use a Nema 6-50 without issues? I ordered and received a 6-50 by mistake. Thank you. Rick

 

[KlueBat]

I've been looking around the forum and i know there really isn't a straightforward answer for this question until more time and experiences give data. But is there a general rule of thumb for what is an acceptable frequency of using DCFC? The general consensus seems to be to not use it often...but does that mean only on road trips? Or is like once a month ok if it's needed?

I don't think this is a question with straight forward answer. In general though, most of your charging should be L1/L2 AC charging. This is the best for your battery and will give it the longest life. DC fast charging on a road trip is fine of course, but faster charging produces more heat and more heat means battery degradation. How much degradation? Hard to say.

In the end, your car should be fit for its purpose. If you are road tripping once a month and need to DCFC, then do that. Ford puts a decent sized buffer in their pack and currently uses pretty conservative charging curves. This is purely my guess, but I think that even semi-frequent DCFC will not have a noticeable impact on battery capacity.

 

[AZBill]

I have a question about charging the Mach E. Does the ChargePoint Homeflex or the Mach E software require a Nema 14-50 with neutral or can you use a Nema 6-50 without issues? I ordered and received a 6-50 by mistake. Thank you. Rick

You do not need the neutral, it will work fine.

 

[rikker]

You do not need the neutral, it will work fine.

Thank you.

You do not need the neutral, it will work fine.

Thank you.

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