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Siri sucks compared to Alexa and Google. Siri rarely answers my questions. Sure it can facetime or text for me but ask it any useful question and it gives you search responses.
Possibly, but Siri isn’t compiling all those questions and answers into a huge profile of me to be marketed to anyone who wants to pay for it so they can use it however they wish.

 

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1,600 words to announce the name of their OTA system and tease some future features. The corporate speak is strong. Wake me up when OTA updates that have anything other than bug-fixes actually ship.
This board loves it some press releases.
 

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Possibly, but Siri isn’t compiling all those questions and answers into a huge profile of me to be marketed to anyone who wants to pay for it so they can use it however they wish.
Is there evidence Alexa does that? Amazon may offer to sell me something, but do they sell my information to others specially from Alexa? And for that matter how about the Google assistant.
 

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I can't read the second link. The first doesn't answer my question. Sure, Amazon collects data about my use with Alexa. But there is no correlation (that I can find) between Alexa and selling my data. Most of the items collected have legitimate purposes. I think there needs to be a distinction between what Amazon collects and what they sell. If I had Alexa in my car, and I asked it to open my garage door, close it, maybe play some music, check the weather...what of that is getting sold to elsewhere and what details does it contain?

Unfortunately companies are not that forthcoming to answer those questions.
 

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I can't read the second link. The first doesn't answer my question. Sure, Amazon collects data about my use with Alexa. But there is no correlation (that I can find) between Alexa and selling my data. Most of the items collected have legitimate purposes. I think there needs to be a distinction between what Amazon collects and what they sell. If I had Alexa in my car, and I asked it to open my garage door, close it, maybe play some music, check the weather...what of that is getting sold to elsewhere and what details does it contain?

Unfortunately companies are not that forthcoming to answer those questions.
The first does answer your question, in as much as you’ll ever get a straight answer. My understanding of Alexa is that it’s Amazon’s voice assistant. I seriously doubt that it isn’t fairly well integrated with Amazon’s other systems so that Amazon can build a better, more complete profile of users (what music do they like, what movies and tv shows do they like, what products are they buying, how much are they spending, etc). I seriously doubt that you’re going to find any detailed information on the details of the type of information Amazon collects, the way it is categorized and analyzed or the “agreements” Amazon has to “share that data with their partners”. That type of information would definitely be proprietary and trade secret. Just like the specific algorithms Google uses for page rank for example.
 

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I'm looking forward to total Alexa integration. I have a subscription to Amazon Music HD, and, with full integration, I'll be able to play lossless music, on that nice sound system. Amazon Music also has tons of Quadriphonic music, which they call Ultra 3D, which will give me a reason to use the surround sound option. ?
Also, for those saying they would rather keep siri or Google assistance, they can keep using those, through Android Auto, and Apple Carplay.
 

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I'm looking forward to total Alexa integration. I have a subscription to Amazon Music HD, and, with full integration, I'll be able to play lossless music, on that nice sound system. Amazon Music also has tons of Quadriphonic music, which they call Ultra 3D, which will give me a reason to use the surround sound option. ?
Also, for those saying they would rather keep siri or Google assistance, they can keep using those, through Android Auto, and Apple Carplay.
OK, but I don't want everything I say to be monitored, which is why I turned off google assistant on my phone and the "hey ford" keyword in my car. Until I did that I swear to god I'd be talking to my wife about something and the very next time I went into my google news feed or browser the ads popping up would be about the very thing we talked about. I don't want the same crap from amazon listening to discussions I have with my wife in the car - at least I know if Ford is still listening they aren't going to try to sell me fencing because my neighbor likes to sunbathe nude in his back yard.

There are those that still believe "big brother" is the government. No, big business is the one monitoring every aspect of your life and trying to monetize you - and they're mounting a disinformation campaign on us to get us to distrust the one organization that can reign in their nonsense (the federal government). There's a reason so much dystopian fiction revolves around the ultra wealthy controlling everything.
 

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OK, but I don't want everything I say to be monitored, which is why I turned off google assistant on my phone and the "hey ford" keyword in my car. Until I did that I swear to god I'd be talking to my wife about something and the very next time I went into my google news feed or browser the ads popping up would be about the very thing we talked about. I don't want the same crap from amazon listening to discussions I have with my wife in the car - at least I know if Ford is still listening they aren't going to try to sell me fencing because my neighbor likes to sunbathe nude in his back yard.

There are those that still believe "big brother" is the government. No, big business is the one monitoring every aspect of your life and trying to monetize you - and they're mounting a disinformation campaign on us to get us to distrust the one organization that can reign in their nonsense (the federal government). There's a reason so much dystopian fiction revolves around the ultra wealthy controlling everything.
I’ve had the same experience. I’m not bringing any of that crap into my home. My iPhone is bad enough. It absolutely listens to conversations even though I’ve tried turning the snooping stuff off. I don’t want it in my car.
 

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OK, but I don't want everything I say to be monitored, which is why I turned off google assistant on my phone and the "hey ford" keyword in my car. Until I did that I swear to god I'd be talking to my wife about something and the very next time I went into my google news feed or browser the ads popping up would be about the very thing we talked about.
They only record after the wake word. Sometimes it makes a mistake and thinks your talking to it. But the fact is, they do not just constantly stream data.
 

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The first does answer your question, in as much as you’ll ever get a straight answer. My understanding of Alexa is that it’s Amazon’s voice assistant. I seriously doubt that it isn’t fairly well integrated with Amazon’s other systems so that Amazon can build a better, more complete profile of users (what music do they like, what movies and tv shows do they like, what products are they buying, how much are they spending, etc). I seriously doubt that you’re going to find any detailed information on the details of the type of information Amazon collects, the way it is categorized and analyzed or the “agreements” Amazon has to “share that data with their partners”. That type of information would definitely be proprietary and trade secret. Just like the specific algorithms Google uses for page rank for example.
That's my point we dont know exactly. We do know they work in Europe where the much stricter GDPR exists. I'm trying to stick to facts not hyperbole.
 

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There are those that still believe "big brother" is the government. No, big business is the one monitoring every aspect of your life and trying to monetize you - and they're mounting a disinformation campaign on us to get us to distrust the one organization that can reign in their nonsense (the federal government). There's a reason so much dystopian fiction revolves around the ultra wealthy controlling everything.
LOL, when did the government stop being big brother? The government can throw me in jail, Google can't. I prefer to stay distrustful of both.
 
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That's my point we dont know exactly. We do know they work in Europe where the much stricter GDPR exists. I'm trying to stick to facts not hyperbole.
What does Europe have to do with it? They don’t even apply California privacy laws outside of California in the US. Do you really think they care about European laws anywhere outside the US?
Anyway, as long as you have the choice to use Google and Amazon Alexa and I have the choice to disable Google and Amazon Alexa, there’s no issue ? you shouldn’t care about my opinions and I don’t care about any choices you make.

 

 
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