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That's not quite they way I read that. He didn't say First Editions. Clearly they should be many of the first ones out (after demos), but it may not be completely FEs. And how many make it in 2020 is really unstated.

I found most of that to be a bit of PR speak. Mostly just repeating what was already announced, and vague wording on some things.
 

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That's not quite they way I read that. He didn't say First Editions. Clearly they should be many of the first ones out (after demos), but it may not be completely FEs. And how many make it in 2020 is really unstated.

I found most of that to be a bit of PR speak. Mostly just repeating what was already announced, and vague wording on some things.
I don't know how you read it as something else that First Editions??? From the article:
If someone chose a Premium or a First-Edition model, delivery will likely be late this calendar year.
and they always said the First Edition would be First, ie: before the premium and other models. They sold out of the First Editions in November of last year (in the US, later in other countries).

BTW, I hope we can delay delivery and still get a first edition. For tax reasons, I may need to wait until Jan 2021... getting solar installed and that will use up all my tax credit.
 

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This has always been known. States so right in the configurator:
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When they start becoming available, yes.

"Available" doesn't necessarily mean every one of them. It typically means "Starting in XXX".

It says the same thing for Premiums. Similarly, that doesn't mean every Premium will be available in late 2020 either.

And "First Edition" doesn't necessarily mean every single FE will get sold before the first Premium does. I do expect they'll be the bulk of the early ones, but probably not exclusively.
 

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BTW, I hope we can delay delivery and still get a first edition. For tax reasons, I may need to wait until Jan 2021... getting solar installed and that will use up all my tax credit.
You can carry forward solar credits to the next year but the EV credit cannot be carried forward.
 

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I don't know how you read it as something else that First Editions??? From the article:

and they always said the First Edition would be First, ie: before the premium and other models. They sold out of the First Editions in November of last year (in the US, later in other countries).

BTW, I hope we can delay delivery and still get a first edition. For tax reasons, I may need to wait until Jan 2021... getting solar installed and that will use up all my tax credit.
I guess I missed where they said every single FE will get made before the first Premium does.

I suspect it's more of a marketing name than a precise, absolute sequencing. Clearly they will be the bulk of the earliest ones, otherwise it would look really weird. But I suspect a number of Premiums will be coming off the assembly line along with the FEs, rather that every single FE before the first Premium.

That's my speculation anyway.
 
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They certainly implied the factory will be tooled for building only the First Edition and the premium later. That's not to say that they are not going to make extra FE that will be sold later than some premiums, but seems highly unlikely they would go back and build more FE after they start production of other models.
 

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You can carry forward solar credits to the next year but the EV credit cannot be carried forward.
Currently, but I don't want to rely on trusting the tax code to still allow that in 2 years as they reduce and drop the solar credit...
 
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They certainly implied the factory will be tooled for building only the First Edition and the premium later. That's not to say that they are not going to make extra FE that will be sold later than some premiums, but seems highly unlikely they would go back and build more FE after they start production of other models.
Could be. But I'm not sure there's anything about the FE that requires unique tooling. There's a few special parts (the red stitching, red brake calipers, extra body color option), but those are presumably still plug-and-play on the assembly line like any other option.
 

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Currently, but I don't want to rely on trusting the tax code to still allow that in 2 years as they reduce and drop the solar credit...
On the off chance you're over 59 1/2 years old, there is one other option -- withdrawing some money from your IRA or 401(k) (if you have one) to generate taxable income in the year you need to apply the tax credits, so none of them go to waste.

Below that age you'd incur a 10% penalty though, which isn't worth it.
 

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Could be. But I'm not sure there's anything about the FE that requires unique tooling. There's a few special parts (the red stitching, red brake calipers, extra body color option), but those are presumably still plug-and-play on the assembly line like any other option.
You’re right. The FE is an option package on top of the premium trim. That’s why the FE and premium were set up for Q4 delivery.
 

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You’re right. The FE is an option package on top of the premium trim. That’s why the FE and premium were set up for Q4 delivery.
It's been stated elsewhere by Ford that the First Edition is
The First Edition is a limited-production initial run version of the Mustang Mach-E.
The premium offers a choice of 4 drive trains and battery pack combinations, compared to a single choice (AWD extended battery) for the FE. The premium may not be significantly different and ship in the same quarter, but all I seen publicly indicates it is not part of the initial run. If that was not the case, why would Ford put a cap on the number of reservations for it, and not a cap for the premium?
 

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It's been stated elsewhere by Ford that the First Edition is


The premium offers a choice of 4 drive trains and battery pack combinations, compared to a single choice (AWD extended battery) for the FE. The premium may not be significantly different and ship in the same quarter, but all I seen publicly indicates it is not part of the initial run. If that was not the case, why would Ford put a cap on the number of reservations for it, and not a cap for the premium?
Yes the FE would be produced first. Mechanically the FE is identical to what comes in the Premium ER AWD trim it just has extra cosmetic differences on top of it. So it's an easy production transition from FE to the Premium.

The FE is a sub-set package off of the Premium trim. The FE includes all of the premium trim features plus the extras as previously described. So for example, the Premium trim could be package #300 and the FE would be package #301 that includes all of the #300 features ++. This is why Ford has said on the configuration pages that the FE and Premium would be the first models delivered in Q4 2020.

My assumption is that the FE is a limited production run for both marketing/exclusivity and the special cosmetic part differences. Assuming its a cost measure to only have a set number of these exclusive parts made.
 

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It's been stated elsewhere by Ford that the First Edition is


The premium offers a choice of 4 drive trains and battery pack combinations, compared to a single choice (AWD extended battery) for the FE. The premium may not be significantly different and ship in the same quarter, but all I seen publicly indicates it is not part of the initial run. If that was not the case, why would Ford put a cap on the number of reservations for it, and not a cap for the premium?
You put a cap on the # of special editions to make potential customers think they're special, like collectors items.

It's pure marketing. And a way to build extra demand for the vehicle right out of the gate.
 



 









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