Ford to Expand Mach-E's Early Access Program For OTA Updates

[JCHLi]

So Tesla, Porsche, and others just disregarded the regulation?

I cannot speak to if or how they meet it. I cannot only point to the rule that exists and the current obstacle in the way in this particular scenario.

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[ab13]

I’m not asking about Ford. I’m asking about Tesla. What’s unique/different about the Tesla front trunk?
Sorry I wasn’t clear.

There is an emergency open button inside the Tesla Model Y front trunk, and I don't know that it is any bigger than the Mach E one, maybe slightly smaller.

 

[Mirak]

There is an emergency open button inside the Tesla Model Y front trunk, and I don't know that it is any bigger than the Mach E one, maybe slightly smaller.

Yeah Tesla doesn’t publish frunk capacity, but the Y’s did seem a bit smaller to me. Did not put them side by side tho.

 

[milepost1]

1. never, ever buy a product based on the promise of future software updates. Even a Tesla. How many people have paid Elon Musk $10,000 for "Full Self Driving" that Tesla has admitted will never actually be full self driving
2. having a major update every month would actually be A Bad Thing. The car shouldn't change that much. Yes, bugs need to be fixed, and there are refinements that need to be made, but software development and more importantly deployment on the scale that Ford will be hitting, with a system as complicated as a car, in environments as diverse and uncontrollable as cars are in, mean they actually need to take great care in just pushing code out. Bricking a car is a lot worse than bricking a phone, and has major safety implications.
3. Also, having the car change out from under you is a jarring experience, and it doesn't need to happen often. They need to be very deliberate with their modifications to the software so that they get it right the first time because if they make a change, and it sucks, and they make another change to fix it then people will get frustrated that the car is never the same when they get in

Yes, there are a lot of bugs, and a lot of module firmware updates that are only going out via dealers right now, but give them a little time to actually get the car launched. I'm sure there will be a major bug fix update that rolls up all the module updates eventually. In the meantime, Ford does have a pretty big network of dealers who can run these updates for you and resolve problems that arise

If they make any changes a few will think it sucks. I hope that doesn't stop them.

 

[milepost1]

LOL! A buddy of mine who works in aerospace finds this argument so funny! YOU try suggesting two-week sprints on manned flight qualified hardware, or billion dollar plus spacecraft missions! Do you really think that, as the plane is sitting on the runway, ready for takeoff, with almost 300 pax, it’s time to update the avionics because the latest sprint is ready? Or an interplanetary mission is going to be sitting on a launch pad, ready to start fueling, and they’ll stop everything so the software team can update software with a two week sprint?
He once had a software engineer ask him, seriously, why they couldn’t just reboot the flight processors if there was a problem with the new software? WHILE THE AIRCRAFT WAS FLYING!!!!! NONONONONO!!!!! The airplane will fall out of the sky like a rock!
Closer to home, I work for a major health system. Do you want to be in one of our proton therapy machines when the idiot agile morons decide to deploy the latest 2 week sprint? Personally, I don’t want to be near the vault where the particle accelerator is located.
Agile is great - when used correctly.

The car's just like avionics are not doing while flying or the car while driving.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

We didn't know last summer when it first came up (and the dividers started appearing), and no insider nor Ford itself have released any further information about it since.

Everything we think we thought we knew about the dividers, remote opening of the Frunk, and the emergency release was just deduced from a slim picking of facts.

The internal Frunk emergency button is apparently disarmed atm. So is remote opening of the Frunk. The former is why there are dividers. The latter is annoying and might be related but we actually don’t know that, even if it makes logical sense.

And now the dividers are a “feature” that we’re used to.

 

[trutolife27]

Mache frunk is bigger than the model y.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

I’m not asking about Ford. I’m asking about Tesla. What’s unique/different about the Tesla front trunk?
Sorry I wasn’t clear.

Different system for opening it to a certain degree. Same with Porsche to a certain extent.

So Tesla, Porsche, and others just disregarded the regulation?

No they don’t. The cars complied with rules that pertained to their particular way of complying with federal laws and federal regulations relating to trunks (front or otherwise). Ford has a somewhat newer system (apparently) and this a different way of proving safety.

just my guess is all. As I said before, much of what we think we know on the subject is based upon slim slivers of facts. And it’ll all be moot “soon.”

 

[mixduptransistor]

If they make any changes a few will think it sucks. I hope that doesn't stop them.

Yes, and just like the people moaning that there's not an OTA update every day, there are going to be people who are unreasonably unhappy because the car isn't constantly changing. The trick for Ford is to simply make the car the best it can be, to satisfy the most customers. Trying to satisfy the loudest is not the way they should, nor is it the way I suspect the way they will go. There's always going to be someone on this particular website unhappy

The internal Frunk emergency button is apparently disarmed atm. So is remote opening of the Frunk. The former is why there are dividers. The latter is annoying and might be related but we actually don’t know that, even if it makes logical sense.

Of course it's related. They're both going to be enabled with the same software update

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

Of course it's related. They're both going to be enabled with the same software update

Logic would say so. But, we don't actually know how, why or if in fact, they're two systems that are being updated simultaneously. If they also update PAAK reliability during that OTA, that doesn't mean it was also intertwined with this. While I certainly agree with you, the actual reasons are beyond the scope of these forums. I'll just be glad when we can remotely open the frunks.

 

[Jimrpa]

The car's just like avionics are not doing while flying or the car while driving.

That’s my point ? most people don’t get that

 

[Jimrpa]

Logic would say so. But, we don't actually know how, why or if in fact, they're two systems that are being updated simultaneously. If they also update PAAK reliability during that OTA, that doesn't mean it was also intertwined with this. While I certainly agree with you, the actual reasons are beyond the scope of these forums. I'll just be glad when we can remotely open the frunks.

I think we’ve successfully demonstrated NOTHING is beyond the scope of these forums ????

 

[Jimrpa]

Different system for opening it to a certain degree. Same with Porsche to a certain extent.

No they don’t. The cars complied with rules that pertained to their particular way of complying with federal laws and federal regulations relating to trunks (front or otherwise). Ford has a somewhat newer system (apparently) and this a different way of proving safety.

just my guess is all. As I said before, much of what we think we know on the subject is based upon slim slivers of facts. And it’ll all be moot “soon.”

So, I watched the Tesla video for using the model 3 front trunk. Young person walking in a parking lot toward her car with a roll aboard (appears to be US sized, not international sized) in tow. They press a button on the app, and the hood pops, they come up to the car, lift the hood, put their roll aboard in, close the hood, and drive away. From that, I conclude
1. The model 3 trunk can hold at least 1 standard sized roll aboard (22x9x14)
2. The model 3 doesn’t have a secondary manual latch. (Perhaps it has a secondary latch and both are released by the app - I don’t know?)

anyway, the user experience seems to be what Ford intended for the mustang mach e

 

[BMT1071]

That’s my point ? most people don’t get that

That's your point?!?!? I can't even figure out what that 'sentence' means. ??

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