dtbaker61
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- editted a little 1/28 after cooling down a little to clarify my concerns and reason for starting this thread.
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I got a message today (1/27/23) on my phone when I fired up FordPass prior to heading out the door to drive to a job site, that I HAD to 'accept' revised terms for continued use of FordPass, or discontinue use of Fordpass and delete the phone App, and FP account online immediately...
A quick scan down the LONG LONG LONG message on the FP screen revealed some 'red flag' language that gave me pause. I do not plan to 'Accept' the new terms, or decline and delete FordPass until I have more time to review in detail....
In the meantime, I thought I'd start a thread to see what other members think about this message and the specific changes that caught my eye as possible infringement on Privacy, and in the case of unsolicited 'auto-updates' delivered via OTA; possible side-effects from intended additional remote control or unintended software errors affecting operation of my vehicle.
I bought the vehicle with certain expectations of functionality, optional updates, and some degree of privacy as to my specific location, speed, and driving habits. The on-screen Settings enabling toggling on/off auto-updates and on/off of export of my data with the 'Privacy Settings' were acceptable to me when I bought the MME.
The new terms, at first read, over-ride my ability to turn OFF auto-updates and over-ride my desire to NOT export location, speed, or other data from car sensors real-time. More concerning, it looks to me like there is no way to opt-out of the use (sale) of my vehicle data tied to my personal data including name, address, email, and other information.
I can understand gathering aggregate car sensor data for Engineering, remote diagnostics, and 'rescue' control of door locks and such... but only with my permission or request.
The ONLY function of FordPass that I use is PAAK. If my phone will not work as Key without FordPass, then Ford is removing functionality that was present when I bought the vehicle. I don't want any updates to FordPass or Sync, so I feel that I *should* be able to continue using my current functionality 'in perpetuity' without updates if I want to under current terms and functionality.
Is anybody else concerned with the revised TOS we are being forced to accept?
Anyone else upset that our only option to blanket acceptance is to delete FordPass and discontinue use of current functionality available with PAAK?
What would be the appropriate Entity to complain to about invasion of Privacy? I don't want Ford to use MY location and real-time driving data combined with personal information for their profit without my permission.... But I also don't want to give up existing functionality of PAAK. But I will if there is no alternative to protect my data from resale and my car from remote control. The worst part about this new Agreement is that if I want to continue to use ANY connectivity (for PAAK or Navigation), then this new 1.7 TOS overides any and all on-board 'Privacy Settings' regarding data I would rather not export.
As far as I can tell, this version 1.7 of the TOS for FordPass over-rides ALL our choices on Privacy Settings screen in the vehicle, making the entire screen misleading and meaningless as well as obviating our choice in whether we want to accept auto-updates, or not.
I hope @Ford Motor Company will watch this thread and reverse their Policy on this.... before there is a class action lawsuit, or complaints to the FTC, or whoever is supposed to protect our rights to reasonable privacy and re-sale of personal information.
I want to hear from @Ford Motor Company that Privacy Settings I toggle off on screen actually disallow data export, and auto-update toggled off actually prevents OTA without my knowledge and consent.
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The full TOS is viewable as .html at
https://www.fordpass.com/content/ford_com/fp_app/en_us/termsprivacy.html#two
I printed to Word, reviewed, trimmed and annotated copy of TOS version 1.7 to note my specific areas of concern. You may or may not agree, but I think it's important to voice concern... maybe somebody can explain this language and make it easier to swallow, but I have reservations about clicking the 'Accept' button on this one...
In the meantime, I will probably start using a Fob instead of PAAK I guess since that is the ONLY feature of FordPass I find useful.
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I got a message today (1/27/23) on my phone when I fired up FordPass prior to heading out the door to drive to a job site, that I HAD to 'accept' revised terms for continued use of FordPass, or discontinue use of Fordpass and delete the phone App, and FP account online immediately...
A quick scan down the LONG LONG LONG message on the FP screen revealed some 'red flag' language that gave me pause. I do not plan to 'Accept' the new terms, or decline and delete FordPass until I have more time to review in detail....
In the meantime, I thought I'd start a thread to see what other members think about this message and the specific changes that caught my eye as possible infringement on Privacy, and in the case of unsolicited 'auto-updates' delivered via OTA; possible side-effects from intended additional remote control or unintended software errors affecting operation of my vehicle.
I bought the vehicle with certain expectations of functionality, optional updates, and some degree of privacy as to my specific location, speed, and driving habits. The on-screen Settings enabling toggling on/off auto-updates and on/off of export of my data with the 'Privacy Settings' were acceptable to me when I bought the MME.
The new terms, at first read, over-ride my ability to turn OFF auto-updates and over-ride my desire to NOT export location, speed, or other data from car sensors real-time. More concerning, it looks to me like there is no way to opt-out of the use (sale) of my vehicle data tied to my personal data including name, address, email, and other information.
I can understand gathering aggregate car sensor data for Engineering, remote diagnostics, and 'rescue' control of door locks and such... but only with my permission or request.
The ONLY function of FordPass that I use is PAAK. If my phone will not work as Key without FordPass, then Ford is removing functionality that was present when I bought the vehicle. I don't want any updates to FordPass or Sync, so I feel that I *should* be able to continue using my current functionality 'in perpetuity' without updates if I want to under current terms and functionality.
Is anybody else concerned with the revised TOS we are being forced to accept?
Anyone else upset that our only option to blanket acceptance is to delete FordPass and discontinue use of current functionality available with PAAK?
What would be the appropriate Entity to complain to about invasion of Privacy? I don't want Ford to use MY location and real-time driving data combined with personal information for their profit without my permission.... But I also don't want to give up existing functionality of PAAK. But I will if there is no alternative to protect my data from resale and my car from remote control. The worst part about this new Agreement is that if I want to continue to use ANY connectivity (for PAAK or Navigation), then this new 1.7 TOS overides any and all on-board 'Privacy Settings' regarding data I would rather not export.
As far as I can tell, this version 1.7 of the TOS for FordPass over-rides ALL our choices on Privacy Settings screen in the vehicle, making the entire screen misleading and meaningless as well as obviating our choice in whether we want to accept auto-updates, or not.
I hope @Ford Motor Company will watch this thread and reverse their Policy on this.... before there is a class action lawsuit, or complaints to the FTC, or whoever is supposed to protect our rights to reasonable privacy and re-sale of personal information.
I want to hear from @Ford Motor Company that Privacy Settings I toggle off on screen actually disallow data export, and auto-update toggled off actually prevents OTA without my knowledge and consent.
============
The full TOS is viewable as .html at
https://www.fordpass.com/content/ford_com/fp_app/en_us/termsprivacy.html#two
I printed to Word, reviewed, trimmed and annotated copy of TOS version 1.7 to note my specific areas of concern. You may or may not agree, but I think it's important to voice concern... maybe somebody can explain this language and make it easier to swallow, but I have reservations about clicking the 'Accept' button on this one...
In the meantime, I will probably start using a Fob instead of PAAK I guess since that is the ONLY feature of FordPass I find useful.
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