Blue PonyE
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Correct. Your data legally is also things like individual part performance in the vehicle. LG makes the batteries and motors. If ford shares the vehicle specific data regarding their operation, that's legally sharing your data.Privacy concerns are legitimate, as is how that data can be used....
SO you're going to take all of the screenshots with your smart phone? How are them TOS workin out for you. Welcome to the new world order - you are going to love it.Lots of times I'll click thru software EULAs, but I read this one because I actually DON'T want updates because I don't like the side-effects and I'm pretty happy with existing versions of FP and Sync.
I'll take a series (many) screenshots if I have time and post so others can review what they may have accepted without knowing it, because I sure as shit will not Accept these terms.
But they didnāt find the plane. Because it landed at Diego Garcia. Thatās what I heard.You must unplug the TCU entirely -- it's always on. Alternatively, unplug the antennas from it then it can't talk to anything unless it's stupidly close.
Similar concept to that missing malaysian airlines 777. They didn't pay for the TCU service on the engines, but it was still calling home which is how they knew where to search.
I got a message today when I fired up FordPass, that I HAD to 'accept' and waive ALL privacy to my location, speed, sensor data, Wallet... even voice recordings! ....and Ford could sell any of it to anybody they want. AND they could update software without my knowledge or consent, lock/un-lock my car remotely and presumable change any settings they want whenever they want. There is NO recourse, you MUST accept or discontinue use of FordPass. By the way, you also re obligated to update phone and computer to be compatible with 'current version' of FordPass, and they get to force updates of FordPass that would basically require me to buy a new phone? There is SO much wrong with this.
There is an interesting exception in the fine print.... all this applies to individuals only; company vehicles are exempt. Gee.... wonder why?
How can this be legal?
I bought the vehicle with certain expectations of functionality, optional updates, and some degree of privacy as to my specific location, speed, and driving habits.
The ONLY function of FordPass that I use is PAAK. If my phone will not work as Key without FordPass, then Ford is removing functionality that was present when I bought the vehicle. I don't want any updates to FordPass or Sync, I *should* be able to continue using my current functionality 'in perpetuity' shouldn't I ?
Is anybody else pissed off about this?
What would be the appropriate Entity to complain to about invasion of Privacy? I don't want Ford to use MY location or other personal information for their profit without my permission.... But I also don't want to give up existing functionality of PAAK. But I will if there is no alternative to protect my data from resale and my car from remote control.
I hope @Ford Motor Company will watch this thread and reverse their Policy on this.... before there is a class action lawsuit, or complaints to the US General Attourney, or whoever is supposed to protect our rights to reasonable privacy and re-sale of personal information.
In the meantime, I am removing the wi-fi connection from my vehicle, and going back to using a Fob I guess. Which I just checked, and it has a dead battery (within 2 years of ownership), and it hasn't even been used! But now I'll have to ask my Dealership for the 2nd Fob that was authorized for those of us that were delivered only one.
I got a message today when I fired up FordPass, that I HAD to 'accept' and waive ALL privacy to my location, speed, sensor data, Wallet... even voice recordings! ....and Ford could sell any of it to anybody they want. AND they could update software without my knowledge or consent, lock/un-lock my car remotely and presumable change any settings they want whenever they want. There is NO recourse, you MUST accept or discontinue use of FordPass. By the way, you also re obligated to update phone and computer to be compatible with 'current version' of FordPass, and they get to force updates of FordPass that would basically require me to buy a new phone? There is SO much wrong with this.
There is an interesting exception in the fine print.... all this applies to individuals only; company vehicles are exempt. Gee.... wonder why?
How can this be legal?
I bought the vehicle with certain expectations of functionality, optional updates, and some degree of privacy as to my specific location, speed, and driving habits.
The ONLY function of FordPass that I use is PAAK. If my phone will not work as Key without FordPass, then Ford is removing functionality that was present when I bought the vehicle. I don't want any updates to FordPass or Sync, I *should* be able to continue using my current functionality 'in perpetuity' shouldn't I ?
Is anybody else pissed off about this?
What would be the appropriate Entity to complain to about invasion of Privacy? I don't want Ford to use MY location or other personal information for their profit without my permission.... But I also don't want to give up existing functionality of PAAK. But I will if there is no alternative to protect my data from resale and my car from remote control.
I hope @Ford Motor Company will watch this thread and reverse their Policy on this.... before there is a class action lawsuit, or complaints to the US General Attourney, or whoever is supposed to protect our rights to reasonable privacy and re-sale of personal information.
In the meantime, I am removing the wi-fi connection from my vehicle, and going back to using a Fob I guess. Which I just checked, and it has a dead battery (within 2 years of ownership), and it hasn't even been used! But now I'll have to ask my Dealership for the 2nd Fob that was authorized for those of us that were delivered only one.
I tried to read (or at least peruse) them, but they were a tad light on the details:did you get it on your version of FordPass?
Did YOU read it?
What's your opinion?
Once again proof that all threads lead to your frunk, Jim.Add top ribbon frunk access as well and Iām in on that deal too
Oh man. I wonder if the reason this all came about is that Ford just wants to track my car to see where and how many times I go out in the back country roads . If that really is why I am sorry. I would have been more than happy to tell them it is almost every weekend and would have even invited them along for a Sunday 3 hour cruise .
So let me get this straightā¦I don't have time to dig thru specifics today or near term.... for now I have:
- not accepted
- will put a new battery in my one Fob, and try to get a second from Dealer
- turned off auto-updates
- turned off wi-fi
I agree with this, itās the world we live in.I don't know why anyone gets all fired up about data privacy for stuff like this. Once you get a smart phone you're in way further than sharing data with the Ford app to help it do its job. You do you, but this is a non-issue. When you bought the vehicle you didn't sign any sort of agreement that said "and you'll never change the agreement terms of your app on me."
They didn't take anything away from you. You have a likely reason you're taking it away from yourself. Good thing is the car came with a Fob. We can debate the logic of that reason if you share it, but what I said before is objective truth.